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ESPN: Houston most favorable destination of Lakers’ competitors for Howard

Via ESPN:

Atlanta, Dallas and Houston will be Howard’s chief suitors when he enters free agency July 1. But the Lakers can offer Howard a five-year contract worth roughly $118 million while every other team in the league can offer him only about $88 million over four years. The extra $30 million means a lot to Howard, sources said, and is definitely a major advantage for the Lakers. With the injuries he’s recently suffered to his back and shoulder, Howard might be less inclined to give up the extra year of security.

“I understand, you know, what the Lakers want,” Howard told Smith on Monday of his contract status. “And I also understand that right now, there’s no need for all the circus and all the stuff that happened last year [with Orlando] to start back up. I don’t want it, my team doesn’t need it, I don’t need it, and frankly, our fans don’t need it neither.”

Of the Lakers’ three free-agent competitors, Houston appears to be the most favorable for Howard. Dallas is aging, and Howard is not keen on playing in his hometown of Atlanta. Houston, on the other hand, has star guard James Harden and is only a frontcourt star away from becoming a legitimate factor in the Western Conference.

While Howard had no interest in going to Houston last season, sources say he is aware the Rockets have become a more attractive destination since acquiring Harden.

The article states that the Lakers have no intent of dealing Howard this season.

First, the Rockets must determine if they truly want Howard given his recent physical regression.  His skillset does not bode well for a graceful decline.

Secondly, if the Rockets still do find Howard alluring, they won’t be pulling the trigger this month on any of the trade targets recently discussed (ie: Josh Smith, Danny Granger).

Just this week, I described the Howard/Paul scenario as a ‘pipe dream.’

In order, I would rank the Rockets scenario preferences as:

A) An acquisition of Howard or Chris Paul this summer.

B) A two year stop gap rental until 2014.

C) A long term signing of a lower tier star (ie: Josh Smith)

D) Staying pat until 2014.

 

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  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago

    feelingsupersonic, on 13 February 2013 - 16:55 PM said:


    I disagree with you all. I don't put as much credence into one incident with Nash as you all do. This is totally overblown in my opinion. In fact Nash should be looking at himself this year, before he criticizes anyone else on that roster


    I'm sorry to defer on that one, but Nash has proven over the years that he is completely entitled to call out someone who is not giving 100% effort. Come on, the guy has been playing with serious back injuries for years now and still is one of the best in activity, and a definite HOF, even if he is having a "bad season" (bad in terms of what he is accostumed to). There is a slight difference between what you can't do and what you won't do. We don't know how painful must be for Dwight right now, but Nash is smart and has been around the league for a long time now, he can tell when someone is not giving 100% effort. I don't see him questioning Pau's effort....
    Maybe it was just a snap, and that's it, but when Dwight states "it's my career", it makes you wonder....maybe once he gets his next max contract, he will put 100% knowing that he will still get paid for the next 3-4 years.


    Anyway....having some Dwight beats having most, if not all, centers in the league. Like most said, winning makes it easy to tolerate some things, for us fans and for his ego. Let's hope that if we get the chance to get him, we find the way to win consistently. Having that roster, the Lakers were almost a no-brainer to make at least WCF, and they still don't know if they are making it to first round, so it's no guarantee than having him and the bearded one will make us contenders (logic indicates that it will, you never know).


    Like I said previously, if it doesn't pan out, you can always flip him for some top talent (something Orlando should have done), even if it's not on the same position. And that's Morey's philosophy on draft night: picking the best talent available, same principle applies here.
  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago I agree with the latest sentiments. I understand the concerns with Dwight, but I think they're overblown. I'm seeing over at other forums things like Dwight is "injury prone" -- the guy has missed like 25 games his whole nba career! lol

    But of course it is his recent injuries that frighten people. That is understandable -- back injuries are rather severe, and he may never be 100% D12. I don't see the problem though. This analogy is a bad one, but that's like saying we get an 80% Lebron James. Sorry, an 80% LBJ > anyone else not named KD. Again, I keep harping on alternatives. What are ours? If say this summer D12 and KLove were both available, or LMA were in the mix, then yes, VERY viable points to be making...about why we should go with KLove or LMA instead. Unfortunately, that is not the case. How do we not pull the trigger on Dwight if we have that shot? Who are we saving our money for?

    Rahat said it best in that interview -- 20% chance of wasting all that money/20% chance of winning a championship vs. 100% chance of being "at best" a WCF losing team for many yrs to come...sry, as a fan, I would personally choose the former. We are closer to that w/ Dwight. I feel like this exact decision is the one OKC made in trading Harden, except they chose the latter (from a business/ownership standpoint, it probably makes more economic sense in a small market).

    Is Dwight at 80% worth a max? Maybe, maybe not. There aren't many better alternatives, and having 80% Dwight is prob still better than anyone else we can realistically believe in getting now. It is even more foolhardy to think LBJ will come to Houston next offseason, or KLove gets traded here 2 yrs from now lol. note: Dwight is still top 5 in blocks and FG% in the league this season and leads the league in rebounding...in a yr where he's constantly panned as a failure haha.

    Dwight's attitude also does not bother me. I mean, it does on a personal level -- it is annoying -- but as a fan, I'm not worried. Like I said before, WINNING solves a lot of these issues. It is if you're losing or on the edge of losing where it is actually detrimental. Edge of losing is a small % location, while losing, well I don't care as much about him whining when we're sucking overall anyways.

    If we don't get Dwight, however, I won't cry about it either. Tis the beauty of our current flexibility!
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago Yeah, I still want Morey to make the offer and try to get him in Rocket Red.

    If we were talking about bringing in a Ray Allen-type there would be no concern at all. Truly, Dwight could make, or break, this team...I wouldn't waste the opportunity to find out. We are finding out that we are pretty good without him and still getting better. So, if he doesn't work out it most certainly will not be the end of the world.
  • Ostrow says 1 YEAR ago It's possible that they could work together. Howard and Gortat worked well together in Orlando, and it's not like Gortat then (or now, for that matter) has much of an offensive game outside 5 feet. Not saying it would work, but I think that it is possible. Also, they could play maybe 15-20 minutes a game together? Howard plays 35 minutes Asik plays 30 minutes that's about 17 minutes a game together. Throw in foul trouble and injuries, you are probably looking at 10 minutes a game together.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago I completely understand what you are putting down. My son is two and a half and I deal with that everyday so you hit home with that little story. Look in reality it's unfair to Laker players because these guys, probably more than any other team, are constantly under the spotlight and we are privy to a lot that we cannot really understand. I get why forum members have reservations about Dwight be it cerebral or a gut feeling.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago Fair enough, FS. The Lakers are in disarray, injured, unfamiliar with one another, with little bench help, and are still within reach of the play-offs. Howard's injuries are clearly affecting his performance--whether the pain is bearable or not is completely subjective--no one knows what it feels like but him.

    Two things: one, the fuel to the fire is working...

    two, I think any reservations I have can be summed up in this analogy....It's like that irrational feeling of fear I got as a kid when I had my favorite toy, or whatever, and someone else wanted to play with it. It was scary because what if they break it? Of course, almost always everything was fine, but until I saw it that fear was there. That's how I feel about Dwight and the Rockets...I am sure, if it happens, it will be awesome....but until then, there is this nagging fear of, "don't break my favorite toy".

    I have to presume that if Morey signs Dwight he and McHale have already thought out how the offense/defense works with him in play. Of course they have--and it is awesome.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago I disagree with you all. I don't put as much credence into one incident with Nash as you all do. This is totally overblown in my opinion. In fact Nash should be looking at himself this year, before he criticizes anyone else on that roster much less the league's leading rebounder (who happens to be playing injured this year), as he continues to get torched by mediocre point guards who are having career games against him.

    Sorry guys but once some of this passes Dwight will still be elite and he will be next year and the year after that and you can put your money on that.
  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago He might be a force, but clearly if you get YELLED by Nash, it's because you are frustrating, and having all that talent and still frustrate someone like Nash, there is definitely something terribly wrong with you.

    I know he probably is unpleased in LA, but giving him a max contract and the focus in here will change his attitude? What guarantee do we have? Of course, someone like him could always be traded away if he doesn't pan out. I just don't want to get in exchange for him the likes of Arron Afflalo and picks....(although I really like Vucevic).
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago Yeah, this seems to go beyond his injury. I mean, in that video Nash was basically addressing his B-BALL IQ saying "Look man, I can't just throw it up to the hoop every time! I was behind the backboard and UDONIS HASLEM was literally on top of me. FIND THE OPENING!!!"

    This does give me pause for concern....I never thought of dwight as a cerebral player by any means...But is it that bad? Nash has earned a great deal of respect in this league and has a track record to back it up....if he says you're doing it wrong....you're doing it wrong.

    To really hammer this point home I will add this: When Kobe calls someone out we generally disregard it because of his past, his ego, and his general inability to be liked. Getting called out by Nash for not sucking it up with the pain and for on court performance is like Bob Ross shouting at you for painting an "unhappy" little tree.
  • sircharles says 1 YEAR ago yeah, if you cant succeed in the pick and roll with nash and d'antonio then you have some serious problems.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago Thought I'd throw a little fuel on the fire.....here is an article from some reporter out in LA. He comes across a bit biased, but he makes a sound argument: If Steve Nash is getting mad at you then maybe it is a "you" problem.

    Nash hasn't said much to the media regarding Dwight, but his thinly veiled dig regarding Dwight's "pain threshold" didn't go unnoticed...

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:8926216&startTime=00:23

    Anyways, here is the LINK to the article

    And here is the link to the play he is talking about
  • amacbrooks12 says 1 YEAR ago great post ^
    I agree 100% with everything you said.
  • Drew in Abilene says 1 YEAR ago I'm going to agree with those of you who would be for bringing in Howard this off-season. I think Kobe hit the nail on the head when he said that Dwight wants people to like him really badly. This season seems to be persuading him the fans in L.A. aren't going to be happy with anything less than championships and entertaining basketball on a nightly basis. If he comes here, he's got other stars to lean on, but not cutthroat psycho types like Bryant. He'd have a grateful fanbase and a great chance at winning. Seems like a pretty swell situation.

    I'm intrigued by the potential of Asik and Howard reinventing the twin towers. With enough shooters surrounding them, imagine an offense that constantly had one or both of them crashing the boards, following Harden and Lin drives to clean up anything around the rim, and breaking free from coverage for monster dunks. Our defense would be top notch.

    To be honest, Howard is one of my least favorite players right now, but all that would change if he came to H-Town, especially if that went hand-in-hand with hurting the Lakers in both the near term and long term. I agree that if he's on a winning team, a lot of these problems would go away. I bet Morey is salivating at the prospect of bringing Howard in, and then either combining him with our current roster or trading out some of our high value guys for even better complements. Here's hoping the Lakers failure this season leads to greater Houston success in the future!
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago I added lines in case my words make no sense

  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago OK, Here goes with the visual aids:



    OK, these are the starting positions for the play. 1-5 represent the usual positions on the court (i.e. 5 is center, etc.)

    Depending on where the 1 starts the play his defender will set up either shading left or right...depending on which way they decide to funnel the play. Either way, the 1 reads it and reacts. Notice that from here already if the defending 5 doesn't set up behind our 5 there is an easy roll to the basket. Thus, the defender should really be behind him, but he will be forced to move anyways by the penetration to come. Let's look at the next set-up:



    So, the defender shades left forcing the 1 to go over and around the screen. He has to because if he shades right the 1 goes left and B has to slide over to help allowing either a wide open look from 3 or 2 cuts back door for an easy lay-up.

    OK, so 1 goes right (presume that E is actually behind 5--in between him and the basket) and D bumps him as E drops down to block the lay-up. the 5 rolls to the left to receive a bounce pass, a lob, or grab a rebound. 4 slides through the hole created by 5 leaving and slips in behind 1 rolling towards the hoop on the right side. Now 1 can either beat 5 and lay-up, or pass to either rolling big...whichever is open depending on the reactions of the defense. if the wing defenders sag in too much a kick out for 3 is available. Also, the 4 can also float to the top for another 3 pt. option.

    Action like this has countless options. It forces the defense to "pick it's poison" and they must play perfectly to even attempt to defend it. Furthermore, mis-matches will often come out of this as players scramble to cover and often either the 4 or 5 could end up with the 1 covering them after movement begins.

    Anyways, you guys can look at it, dissect it, destroy it, whatever. I would love to see it implemented and find out what works and what doesn't. I don't doubt that I have over-looked something obvious in defending it...so if you see it let me know.

    Oh, and another quick wrinkle would be to run a fake first pick and roll. It would involve the 1 going right, but the screeners stay put. The 2 circles around the top of the key. As he is doing this the 1 drives to the basket followed by E & A, but kicks out to 3 on the wing. 3 fakes the shot but actually passes to 2 as he curls around the double high screen and receives the pass from 3 and can go straight up with no dribble to the rim splitting the out of position A & E or passing to the now rolling 5 &/or 4. the 1 has gone and taken 2's place on the left wing to receive a pass if necessary. Awesomeness ensues.

    I have too much free time.
  • Cooper says 1 YEAR ago Howard and asik would not have to work all that well on offense for them to still be successful overall their defense and rebounding would be incredible. Howard has a more polished post game so put him. Down around the block and move asik around where ever and hope he can grab a few offensive boards and set some picks, also they wouldn't have to be on the floor at the same time constantly. If Howard is available their is no reason not to offer him a contract.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago Imagine an offense where this happens....

    This is something I have been daydreaming about on my back porch for a while and I recently heard that Dallas uses a variation of what I envision....

    The Double Pick & Roll.

    Take Howard and patterson/morris and have them set a mid-high screen standing parallel with the length of the court. Morris on the high side and howard on the low side. Harden, lin and even parsons can run this. The double screen gives a better advantage to the dribbler plus the defense has to commit to one side or the other if the screen is set exactly mid court. The dribbler reads the defense and decides right or left. (we keep the lane unclogged with 3 pt. shooters on either wing) Once they go the screeners move. Morris/patterson slides up for a 3pt. shot (another option is available....but hold on...) howard rolls to the basket. Now, depending on what the defense commits to, we either get a harden lay-up, an dalley-oop to howard, a dish and dunk to howard, a kick to morris/ppat, or an outlet to a wing three point shooter.

    I know you asked for an offense with asik integrated. no problem. As i said earlier, there is another wrinkle. Instead of the high-screener going to the 3pt. line. they can also roll, following behind the dribbler as a trailer that harden can drop a pass to as well after drawing the defense out of position. In this scenario, asik is the low screen and rolls opposite harden. Howard would be the high screen and roll behind trailing harden. Again, the defense is going to be scrambling to stop all three options plus not get killed by the wing shooters waiting for open looks.

    OK, not sure how easy this is to visualize...it makes sense in my head, of course. I will try to draw something up for visual aids and post.

    I think, once mastered, and executed properly an attack like this will drive defenses and coaches crazy. I mean, you have to commit to stopping something, but in order to do so you must leave something else wide open...and in this scenario 3 of these options are lay-ups/dunks and the other 3 are wide open 3's from sharp shooters. Plus, imagine the foul trouble you'll create as defenses are constantly out of position swiping at the ball and giving us free throws. This is the part where I wring my hands together and laugh wickedly...hwah-ah-ah-ah.


    Oh, and as for trading Asik....No way! Ask LA if a team can have too many healthy bigs?
  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago

    thejohnnygold, on 07 February 2013 - 20:00 PM said:


    I would also add that Howard got to the finals because Turkoglu went off in the playoffs...no one had an answer for Hedo!!!!

    I posted earlier that I think Howard and Asik can co-exist. They can share minutes at center and we can go twin towers with Howard at the 4. Personally, I think that would be devastating on offense and defense....would definitely like to see it.

    I agree that Howard can't be the main focus of an offense--in the way Hakeem was--however, an offense tailored around his best talents: dunking, rebounding, and blocking can. He could still post up some, but I would rather see him playing off of Harden and Lin's drives and getting so many highlight dunks, alley-oops, and putbacks that ESPN won't know what to do. The guy can legitimately be a one man wrecking crew...especially at the 4 where he will be boxing out against guys much weaker than he is. If those goofy little rolling hook shots make him happy then let him shoot 10 or so a game--who cares?


    I'd love Howard on HOU, and I don't think he likes LAL too much...though at the end of the day, I still give the recruiting edge to them. HOU makes most sense next on the list. But CAN Howard and Asik co-exist? D12 at the 4 seems a little weird to me. People love to point out how D12/Asik Twin Towers will not be as effective compared to the original Twin Towers, as the latter are much more talented and w/ diff. skill sets.

    That being said, even just looking at Howard at the 4: he's fast enough for the position, but has no game outside of 6-7 ft. Not saying we need a stretch 4, but he clogs up the paint w/ Asik. REALLY clogs it up. For defense, it'd be amazing for us, but on offense, I have my concerns. Neither Asik nor Howard are great passers, so I don't know if running them both on the court at the same time is the most effective strategy. To get them and not overlap their minutes seems a waste. I guess we could trade Asik for valuable pieces since his stock is rising, but I wouldn't do that until I knew Howard panned out.

    Just some big question marks.
  • sircharles says 1 YEAR ago well i meant outside of the top 4 teams in the east those years there was nothing else, its a much more even conference now for sure.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago One last note since I'm on a roll.....Just checked out some recent interviews and what not about Dwight....Kobe and he don't seem to be getting along. Kobe is pushing hard and Dwight doesn't seem to care for it very much. Can't read too much into it, but when considering his future that could play a part. Do you sign a contract to continue playing with someone you don't like? I guess for $30 million I could tolerate anyone...but still. I'm hoping it helps him decide to leave....and I do think we are a very attractive destination.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago I would not call the Celtics and the Lebron led Cavaliers from the 2008-2009 season "absolutely no competition." Besides getting to the Finals is an accomplishment in of itself that is not to be taken lightly.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago Oh, and those howard-led magic did beat the defending champ celtics and a decent Lebron-led cavaliers squad on their way to the finals
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    sircharles, on 07 February 2013 - 19:47 PM said:


    i think the magic also got to the finals because before 2 years ago there was absolutely no competition in the eastern conference.

    howard needs to be surrounded by 3 point shooters(rockets) and cant be the main focus on offense, thats when he strives.

    i dont like howard, but we would be stupid not to try and get him, though then im not sure what we would do with asik, and i actually really like asik and its been exciting to watch him grow and grow.


    I would also add that Howard got to the finals because Turkoglu went off in the playoffs...no one had an answer for Hedo!!!!

    I posted earlier that I think Howard and Asik can co-exist. They can share minutes at center and we can go twin towers with Howard at the 4. Personally, I think that would be devastating on offense and defense....would definitely like to see it.

    I agree that Howard can't be the main focus of an offense--in the way Hakeem was--however, an offense tailored around his best talents: dunking, rebounding, and blocking can. He could still post up some, but I would rather see him playing off of Harden and Lin's drives and getting so many highlight dunks, alley-oops, and putbacks that ESPN won't know what to do. The guy can legitimately be a one man wrecking crew...especially at the 4 where he will be boxing out against guys much weaker than he is. If those goofy little rolling hook shots make him happy then let him shoot 10 or so a game--who cares?
  • Rahat Huq says 1 YEAR ago there is literally noone in the NBA i'd rather have less than stoudemire.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago Regarding Cousins, I do think a change of scenery would help...not sure how much...but Sacramento seems like a bad environment right now and if you don't have the maturity to deal with it, like Cousins, it manifests. Problem is, we would have to jettison so much talent to get him--they know what they have and are willing to sit on it until an offer they like comes along.
  • sircharles says 1 YEAR ago i think the magic also got to the finals because before 2 years ago there was absolutely no competition in the eastern conference.

    howard needs to be surrounded by 3 point shooters(rockets) and cant be the main focus on offense, thats when he strives.

    i dont like howard, but we would be stupid not to try and get him, though then im not sure what we would do with asik, and i actually really like asik and its been exciting to watch him grow and grow.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago

    LMAOwais, on 07 February 2013 - 19:08 PM said:


    Honestly if we're talking about acquiring mercurial big men I'd rather throw money at Cousins. All the talent and immaturity with none of the health problems.


    I have to disagree that Howard is unstable, he and Stan VanGundy are the only reasons the Magic got to the Finals. It is just my opinion but Howard's track record (some of you maybe only remember back as far as last year it seems) is stellar when he has a long term contract in place and a decent team around him. Considering his posturing these days it is evident he learned his lessons from his Dwightmare chapter. Cousins is just a nutcase and is still 5 years from maturing ( so after his next contract roughly), I mean he is having problems with Smart now it appears. No thanks on Cousins, I do not believe the Rockets locker room can absorb him. Maybe down the road you give Cousins a try but not right now for his sake or the Rockets'.
  • LMAOwais says 1 YEAR ago Honestly if we're talking about acquiring mercurial big men I'd rather throw money at Cousins. All the talent and immaturity with none of the health problems.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago Right, maybe the custom Yao Ming Series of recliners especially made for big men.
  • sircharles says 1 YEAR ago http://www.hoopsworld.com/2013-nba-free-agents/
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago Agree with FS. I am not sure Morey even makes offers for Paul or Bynum. Paul isn't coming to Houston and Bynum is not as desirable as some think. Morey will make a "godfather" offer and hope it's good enough. I don't know if there are any under the table things that go on when wooing and signing free agents.....and if so what they would be...that would be interesting to learn about. Maybe Gallery Furniture hooks him up with a house full of custom recliners!!!
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago No way on Stoudemire. That ship has sailed, a few years ago Morey considered him when he was at Phoenix but now he has more injury possibilities, more miles and a very bad contract. No way Morey goes for him.

    Howard is still the big prize (because Paul will not be leaving L.A.).
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago No thanks on Amare. Bad contract, bad back, bad knees, and bad defense equals a bad deal for us. Besides, what would you give up to get him? Answer: too much. He is a solid mid-range jump shooter. For a team that shuns the mid-range jump shot he doesn't really fit into our plans.
  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago Amare's injury history scares me more than Dwight's. See, back injuries are bad, but least Dwight can still play. 75% Dwight > stars that get season-ending "sit on the bench" injuries. Amare's contract is also HUGE (for a rental). It'd be like taking on Pau, with all the downsides, maybe as many upsides, but I think his K is a yr longer? Miss out on 2014 FA crop :S
  • Cooper says 1 YEAR ago If NY would take Lin or 3rd team take him and we got amare shumert and a 2nd rounder I'd be ok with that but not a big amare fan and I don't think NY would want Lin back because he and melo don't work either.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago What about trading for Stoudemire? He's looked almost back to form this year. He and Melo don't really coexist, but he could do wonders for this team. He's also much better defensively now than he was in PHX(still not GREAT, but better than what we have now). Pick and rolls with Lin and Harden would be awesome. I know it'd be a risk with his uninsured contract and health concerns, but that makes us a contender if he's healthy. We would have to involve a third team in order to not trade Asik/Lin/Harden and our depth would be shattered, but we could really compete next year. What do you think? This team needs a second star.
  • Cooper says 1 YEAR ago I wouldn't eat a bad contract unless its for basically a lotto pick or promising young player comes with.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    timetodienow1234567, on 06 February 2013 - 20:43 PM said:


    Okay a lot of these moves are not huge upgrades, but we do have some expiring contracts and 7 mil in cap space. Assuming Bynum doesn't play lights out and we're probably not going to get Dwight(think about it. He's been injured and he has a chance to make a LOT more money in LA), then doesn't it make sense to rent out cap space for draft picks. What about http://espn.go.com/n...tradeId=bckvf7b
    I think that trade is not bad, especially if BKN throws in a few picks. We would improve at the backup SG spot and let Harden get some rest. What do you think?


    Hmmm, it's ok....except for the part where we add Kris humphries to a crowded PF rotation at $14 million.....his 6 pts and 6 rebs aren't very good for $14 million...even if it is over just 20 minutes. Not sure Brooklyn's draft picks will be worth much....maybe late teens at best. Plus, I think James Anderson will be getting more minutes soon....he has done pretty well in limited minutes so that should help out SG. Also don't want to excuse ourselves from a chance to sign Dwight just for a low first round draft pick.

    For Brooklyn, not much there except cap relief and another SF to add to their logjam at that position. All in all, I'd rather go after Granger than this deal....and I don't want to go after Granger one bit.
  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago Morey was recently on sports790.com saying how he did NOT plan on renting out our cap space. Instead, he wanted to keep us open for a trade this offseason. Sounds like Morey wants to make a move, and only if he fails in Plan A and back up Plan B will he consider using the cap space on allowing others to park contracts. Seems highly unlikely now that he would do it before the trade deadline -- but that is expected, you know Morey wants to make a run at D12 lol.

    Could also just be smoke and mirrors by a GM though, but I still feel that Morey wants to make a run on Dwight this offseason. I'd love Dwight. He instantly makes us a contender. I know he's worse off this yr, and his waning (temporary or not -- I hear back surgeries are hard to ever fully recover from) athleticism makes his lack of skill more evident. That being said, his numbers/productivity have not fallen off by much!

    His FT%/FTA is a little worse, but it amounts to less than an extra point per game. That's not nothing, but I think it is the LAL pressure getting to him at the line. Not a big deal. His FG% is about the same, and while his PPG has dropped 4 pts from last season, he is playing 4 fewer minutes a game and taking 3 fewer shots a game. Makes sense since he isn't the clear #1 on the LAL as he was on ORL.

    All his other stats (TOs, PFs, assists, steals, etc.) are about the same. His rebounding is where he's suffered -- down more than 2 rebounds per game. Offensive rebounds have stayed the same, however. His injuries have limited this aspect of his game, among other things, but I don't think he's suddenly not worth a max...or someone we don't go for. Even if he never becomes the Dwight of old (due to the injury), he's still prob good for 19/11 season averages, easy. If we keep Asik, defense in the paint will only be MORE in lockdown mode, and offensively, we'd now have a post game and a better P&R partner for Lin/Harden than Asik's greasy hands (better of late). Less flashy, just as effective though. His footwork and defense aren't what they used to be, but who is better? I honestly don't see KD and Lebron coming to HOU EVER, and KLove has his own faults/question marks...with us having to wait 2 more yrs just to get a run at him. Too risky. Could always bet the farm later if we had D12/Harden locked down.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago Okay a lot of these moves are not huge upgrades, but we do have some expiring contracts and 7 mil in cap space. Assuming Bynum doesn't play lights out and we're probably not going to get Dwight(think about it. He's been injured and he has a chance to make a LOT more money in LA), then doesn't it make sense to rent out cap space for draft picks. What about http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bckvf7b
    I think that trade is not bad, especially if BKN throws in a few picks. We would improve at the backup SG spot and let Harden get some rest. What do you think?
  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago I wholeheartedly agree with JG and supersonic. I, too, was thinking about the possibility of Howard and Asik sharing the floor...and what that would mean. Worked for the Rockets before (though oh so long ago).

    His personality does not worry me. Personality is generally overblown imo. Winning fixes a lot of personality problems, and losing emphasizes them. If we're winning, good to go. If we're losing, we'd just lose harder, but to be fair, we'd already be losing :P A 4 yr deal for Howard at his current age is just right. We have the room, the talent, etc. We'd be a contender.

    My only fear is the same as supersonic's...Howard's health and recovery. Howard is so athletic, and unlike, say Pau or TD, relies on that more than "skill." That doesn't age well. But he's not that old yet, and some risk is always going to be in a superstar deal tbh.

    BYNUM on the other hand...I would avoid like the plague. His personality is not better than Howard's, his game is worse, and he's injury prone. D12 has only really had this recent bout of injuries; otherwise robust. Can't say the same for Bynum. I would be SHOCKED if we got Bynum and he was somehow able to stay healthy. I smell TMac-Yao 2.0 w/ Bynum paired with Harden (and by TMac-Yao 2.0, I mean heartbreak 2.0) :S
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago In my opinion the proclamations that Howard is a cancer are overblown. For years he was a productive part of the Magic and even carried that team to the Finals. Once he has a home and a four or five year contract he will be fine. By all accounts he is always working out and stays focused in the offseason. The true test of Howard's recovery will be next season. That type of recovery is going to be about a year and in that time other minor injuries will occur because with back recovery other parts of the body tend to overcompensate at times. He is still relatively young and with Asik there would be less pressure to rush to integrate Dwight. I like Morey's position, offer deals to Howard, Bynum and Paul and if one bites then great and if not just hold tight on major moves till 2014 unless of course the perfect deal arises.
  • Ostrow says 1 YEAR ago
    Chris Broussard@Chris_Broussard

    We know Rockets will go after D12 n summer but word is they\'ll pursue A Bynum if D12 unavailable. assuming AB plays well n return this yr.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago I have been vocally anti-howard since I got here, but the more I look and think about it...the more it makes sense. Of course, I'm picturing Howard being used as a glass cleaner, alley-oop-er, post up 12 -15 times a night (just so he feels good) center who we would also employ as a top flight defensive 4. That's right--POWER FORWARD!

    The guy has the size and speed to guard a 4 and is way stronger than any of them. Imagine going "big" against all these small ball teams with Asik, Howard, PPat/Morris/Parsons, Harden, and Lin. Play a zone defense to keep the "twin towers" in position and not get pulled away by a stretch 4. We could even drop Lin and use a combo of Morris and Parsons on the wings with Harden as PG for a jumbo package. Any speedsters will get funneled into Asik and Dwight. I can live with that. Either go at Dwight and probably miss--Asik boxes out and grabs rebound. Or, go at Asik and Dwight comes from weakside to knock it into the 3rd row (hopefully we can teach him to push it towards a teammate).

    On the perimeter, shooting over the top of those guys becomes increasingly hard. I like it. Plus it gives us the bigs to deal with teams like memphis, utah, Minnestoa (when Love is healthy), etc. All this, plus we still have D-Mo to play with! Imagine him playing the 3...doesn't matter if they can slip past him...with his height and reach he can block from behind as they try to avoid Howard/Asik.

    Conversely, our small line-up could have Howard at 5, morris/parsons at 4, harden at 3, anderson at 2, lin/beverly at 1. That's a lot of speed and we still have a defensive anchor.

    I recognize this is joyful speculation and there is no guarantee any of that is a good idea. It sounds amazing though....so take it in the right context and enjoy the potential match-up nightmares we could create.

    As for his attitude. No argument from me...dude has been very immature and brings a lot of risk/red flags. I can't help but think he is maturing as he suffers through a second bad season. I would be frustrated if I were him. When you have a Shaq-like talent on your team you saddle him up and ride off into the sunset. Lakers don't seem to get that.

    Regarding risk, I actually don't think there is much anymore. It would be a 4-5 year deal (not sure what CBA allows exactly) so his age won't get into the Kevin Garnett range and he should remain effective. If his attitude ends up being terrible I don't think we will have much trouble finding someone to trade for him. Look at it now....dude is under-performing, has shown nothing but immaturity, has chronic injuries, and nearly every team is still ready to sign him.

    Gentleman, I am officially on the bandwagon.
  • tombrokeoff says 1 YEAR ago man, while I would love to have Howard in some aspects, I tend to agree with EVE above. the thought of him being a cancer to our team atmosphere scares me.
  • EVE0914 says 1 YEAR ago Howard can not integrate into teammates , we don't need Howard (=cancer) , now we have teamwork , those guys be fine , just need to grow

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