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> <channel><title>Comments on: Chris Paul speculation gains life, will Houston Rockets pursue?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/</link> <description>Red94 &#124; essays and musings on the nba and houston rockets</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:42:16 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: beraten</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4474</link> <dc:creator>beraten</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4474</guid> <description>At no point do the rox need to include Yao.  If they need to absorb CP3, Posey, and Okafor, they can do so with a deal of Hill, Brooks, Battier, Jeffries, Ariza and Andersen (who only has one more year guaranteed, de facto final year).  They eat 5 mil, and its a six for three deal, but the hornets only have 12 guys under contract, so it would work.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Additionally, were the rockets to include Budinger or the Knicks pix, they could offer a package of those three assets to a third team who is under the cap, like sacramento, in exchange for them picking up the tab on a year of Battier.  If the picks are worth 3 mil each, then &#039;selling&#039; them by trading them to a team to take salary makes sense.  We all know Bud is worth more than 3/4 mil, is someone willing to pay extra salary for him?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By renting cap space in this way, they can send new orleans 12 million less than they take (or 20 mil if they do it twice), take Okafor and Posey, and STILL make a legit bid (Ariza, Brooks, Hill)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At no point do the rox need to include Yao.  If they need to absorb CP3, Posey, and Okafor, they can do so with a deal of Hill, Brooks, Battier, Jeffries, Ariza and Andersen (who only has one more year guaranteed, de facto final year).  They eat 5 mil, and its a six for three deal, but the hornets only have 12 guys under contract, so it would work.</p><p>Additionally, were the rockets to include Budinger or the Knicks pix, they could offer a package of those three assets to a third team who is under the cap, like sacramento, in exchange for them picking up the tab on a year of Battier.  If the picks are worth 3 mil each, then &#39;selling&#39; them by trading them to a team to take salary makes sense.  We all know Bud is worth more than 3/4 mil, is someone willing to pay extra salary for him?</p><p>By renting cap space in this way, they can send new orleans 12 million less than they take (or 20 mil if they do it twice), take Okafor and Posey, and STILL make a legit bid (Ariza, Brooks, Hill)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dan</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4473</link> <dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:10:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4473</guid> <description>Finally found a mention of the Rockets in a proposed Chris Paul trade &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.walterfootball.com/nbadraftoffseasonblog2010_0726.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.walterfootball.com/nbadraftoffseason...&lt;/a&gt;. Unfortunately, the author is a blogger and not affiliated with any major publications and also sees the Rockets as a &quot;dark horse&quot; in any Paul deal. On the other hand, he underrates the assets available to the Rockets in a hypothetical Chris Paul trade.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree with some other commentators on the unlikeliness of Chris Paul being traded for another &quot;star&quot; player, which would seem to increase the Rockets&#039; chances. However, I think this same blog raises a good point with Brandon Roy - the Trailblazers actually have a talented/potential laden shooting guard in Rudy Fernandez who would need to be traded right now unless the team can find more minutes for him.  Giving up Roy could outweigh any potential deal the Rockets have, although if the Hornets decided to go into full rebuild mode, they might still find the Rockets more attractive as a destination for Paul since Brandon Roy for Chris Paul just makes them a slightly worse team that is still a fringe playoff contender without significant hope of competing. The possible Roy trade also ignores the fact that Fernandez is coming off a dissapointing season in which he came into conflict with the coach and expressed desires to be traded or return to Europe, making it less likely the Blazers would be willing to risk starting him next year.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally found a mention of the Rockets in a proposed Chris Paul trade <a
href="http://www.walterfootball.com/nbadraftoffseasonblog2010_0726.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.walterfootball.com/nbadraftoffseason&#8230;</a>. Unfortunately, the author is a blogger and not affiliated with any major publications and also sees the Rockets as a &#8220;dark horse&#8221; in any Paul deal. On the other hand, he underrates the assets available to the Rockets in a hypothetical Chris Paul trade.</p><p>I agree with some other commentators on the unlikeliness of Chris Paul being traded for another &#8220;star&#8221; player, which would seem to increase the Rockets&#39; chances. However, I think this same blog raises a good point with Brandon Roy &#8211; the Trailblazers actually have a talented/potential laden shooting guard in Rudy Fernandez who would need to be traded right now unless the team can find more minutes for him.  Giving up Roy could outweigh any potential deal the Rockets have, although if the Hornets decided to go into full rebuild mode, they might still find the Rockets more attractive as a destination for Paul since Brandon Roy for Chris Paul just makes them a slightly worse team that is still a fringe playoff contender without significant hope of competing. The possible Roy trade also ignores the fact that Fernandez is coming off a dissapointing season in which he came into conflict with the coach and expressed desires to be traded or return to Europe, making it less likely the Blazers would be willing to risk starting him next year.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: A.</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4472</link> <dc:creator>A.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:40:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4472</guid> <description>Jameer Nelson tore his meniscus, sure he needed some time to recover but he looks pretty solid these days. Worst case scenario, even slightly slower Paul would still be an awesome PG (vision, passing, TS%).  Rockets would be quite a sight with Paul orchestrating the offense. BTW, I&#039;m a Wizards fan but this blog has some amazingly insightful comments.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jameer Nelson tore his meniscus, sure he needed some time to recover but he looks pretty solid these days. Worst case scenario, even slightly slower Paul would still be an awesome PG (vision, passing, TS%).  Rockets would be quite a sight with Paul orchestrating the offense. BTW, I&#39;m a Wizards fan but this blog has some amazingly insightful comments.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cheolee</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4471</link> <dc:creator>cheolee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 05:05:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4471</guid> <description>btw, there is no debate between paul/granger/iggy/gwallace. for example, team USA is trying to decide between granger/iggy/wallace. can you imagine them contemplating whether or not they should cut paul from the team? paul is 1st team all-nba when healthy. yao is 2nd team all-nba. that along with top 3 collection of supporting cast should be able to compete for championship.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, there is no debate between paul/granger/iggy/gwallace. for example, team USA is trying to decide between granger/iggy/wallace. can you imagine them contemplating whether or not they should cut paul from the team? paul is 1st team all-nba when healthy. yao is 2nd team all-nba. that along with top 3 collection of supporting cast should be able to compete for championship.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stephen</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4468</link> <dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 02:10:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4468</guid> <description>Les is not trading Yao.&lt;br&gt;Read Simmons and you&#039;ll see how often his &quot;trades&quot; involve one star for another.&lt;br&gt;Total non-starter as the Rockets have more than enough to trade for Paul w/out needing to include Yao.&lt;br&gt;(And we&#039;re supposed to believe George Shinn-GEORGE SHINN!!!-is going to pay Yao $12mil+ to NOT play for him?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Aside from actual on-court play-things like passing inside to big men where they can do something w/the ball and penetrating and dishing-I want Paul for his mental attitude. He is a leader,a fierce competitor who hates to lose,someone the Rockets sorely need. This mental aspect is something the SF flavor of the moment lacks. &lt;br&gt;The Rocket roster would be a perfectly tuned Steinway for Paul to make beautiful music with. The SFs mentioned are just another electric guitar w/out an amp.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyone notice how Iguodala is being praised by Coach K for not needing the ball,for blending in. Yeah,that&#039;s what the Rockets need-another good role player at near-max money. And what does it say that Granger can&#039;t beat out Iggy? These are not Franchise players,they&#039;re just very good,which is not what the Rockets need to put them over the top at this time.&lt;br&gt;Carmelo is an outstanding scoring machine. But he doesn&#039;t pass,won&#039;t defend and only collects offensive rebounds because it gives him another opportunity at shooting. You cannot pair him w/Martin-and Brooks-unless you want to see how fast the Rocket bigs foul out trying to protect the paint.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Les is not trading Yao.<br
/>Read Simmons and you&#39;ll see how often his &#8220;trades&#8221; involve one star for another.<br
/>Total non-starter as the Rockets have more than enough to trade for Paul w/out needing to include Yao.<br
/>(And we&#39;re supposed to believe George Shinn-GEORGE SHINN!!!-is going to pay Yao $12mil+ to NOT play for him?)</p><p>Aside from actual on-court play-things like passing inside to big men where they can do something w/the ball and penetrating and dishing-I want Paul for his mental attitude. He is a leader,a fierce competitor who hates to lose,someone the Rockets sorely need. This mental aspect is something the SF flavor of the moment lacks. <br
/>The Rocket roster would be a perfectly tuned Steinway for Paul to make beautiful music with. The SFs mentioned are just another electric guitar w/out an amp.</p><p>Anyone notice how Iguodala is being praised by Coach K for not needing the ball,for blending in. Yeah,that&#39;s what the Rockets need-another good role player at near-max money. And what does it say that Granger can&#39;t beat out Iggy? These are not Franchise players,they&#39;re just very good,which is not what the Rockets need to put them over the top at this time.<br
/>Carmelo is an outstanding scoring machine. But he doesn&#39;t pass,won&#39;t defend and only collects offensive rebounds because it gives him another opportunity at shooting. You cannot pair him w/Martin-and Brooks-unless you want to see how fast the Rocket bigs foul out trying to protect the paint.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Carl Herrera</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4467</link> <dc:creator>Carl Herrera</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 00:58:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4467</guid> <description>Re: Latest update: &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The loss of Bird Rights is a factor I thought about, too, and I agree it&#039;s the biggest obstacle to pulling this off.   While Yao won&#039;t lose much money, if any, for THIS season (presumably, the Hornets would agree ahead of the trade to a small-ish discount for the buyout), the loss of Bird Rights means that, next season, assuming something like the current system holds, the most the Rockets can pay him is the MLE.   And who know whether the MLE or even the Bird Exception will remain in place under the new MLE.   They might, however, make a &quot;Joe Smith&quot; deal with him (of course, hopefully not putting it on paper) to (a) sign Yao back with the Bi-Annual Exception for the rest of the season, with a 2nd year player option (to give Yao some security), with a promise to (b) spend the MLE (or whatever the highest dollar they can pay him with) next offseason when he opts out, on a 3 year deal with 3rd year player option, and with a further promise to (c) sign him to a full Bird-Right deal once he opts out fo the MLE-ish deal to compensate him for the discount the took in the earlier years. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Maybe too much machination for it to work, and it would be easiest for Yao to simply hook up with another team with cap room (assuming the market for him is hot at that time) after being waived, but it would theoretically allow Yao to get some of this money back if everyone agrees to make it work. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The only other way I can see to eat CP, Okafor and Posey while leaving NOH only expirings would have to involve third teams-- i.e. something involving the Rockets sending NOH Battier, Jeffries, and Andersen, and sending someone like Ariza to a third team interested in his services, who eather has cap room/trade exception to eat his contract or agrees to send an expiring to NOH. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This would then mean that the best move for Yao would to move now would be to sign on with a team with cap room for the most salary that he can, so that not only does he get the  his &quot;non-Bird&quot; rights (or even &quot;Early Bird&quot; right)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Latest update:</p><p>The loss of Bird Rights is a factor I thought about, too, and I agree it&#39;s the biggest obstacle to pulling this off.   While Yao won&#39;t lose much money, if any, for THIS season (presumably, the Hornets would agree ahead of the trade to a small-ish discount for the buyout), the loss of Bird Rights means that, next season, assuming something like the current system holds, the most the Rockets can pay him is the MLE.   And who know whether the MLE or even the Bird Exception will remain in place under the new MLE.   They might, however, make a &#8220;Joe Smith&#8221; deal with him (of course, hopefully not putting it on paper) to (a) sign Yao back with the Bi-Annual Exception for the rest of the season, with a 2nd year player option (to give Yao some security), with a promise to (b) spend the MLE (or whatever the highest dollar they can pay him with) next offseason when he opts out, on a 3 year deal with 3rd year player option, and with a further promise to (c) sign him to a full Bird-Right deal once he opts out fo the MLE-ish deal to compensate him for the discount the took in the earlier years.</p><p>Maybe too much machination for it to work, and it would be easiest for Yao to simply hook up with another team with cap room (assuming the market for him is hot at that time) after being waived, but it would theoretically allow Yao to get some of this money back if everyone agrees to make it work.</p><p>The only other way I can see to eat CP, Okafor and Posey while leaving NOH only expirings would have to involve third teams&#8211; i.e. something involving the Rockets sending NOH Battier, Jeffries, and Andersen, and sending someone like Ariza to a third team interested in his services, who eather has cap room/trade exception to eat his contract or agrees to send an expiring to NOH.</p><p>This would then mean that the best move for Yao would to move now would be to sign on with a team with cap room for the most salary that he can, so that not only does he get the  his &#8220;non-Bird&#8221; rights (or even &#8220;Early Bird&#8221; right)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rahat_huq</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4466</link> <dc:creator>rahat_huq</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:04:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4466</guid> <description>I have to disagree with you here, my man.  I do agree that ultimately we&#039;ll be &quot;alright&quot;, but do you honestly, I mean, honestly, see this team winning a title without a major acquisition?  If nothing happens, the sun will still rise, but this is about seizing an opportunity to thrust this team right back into the conversation.  If you have a top 5 player and a supporting cast - you&#039;re right there.  With a Paul acquisition, we&#039;d have both.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with you here, my man.  I do agree that ultimately we&#39;ll be &#8220;alright&#8221;, but do you honestly, I mean, honestly, see this team winning a title without a major acquisition?  If nothing happens, the sun will still rise, but this is about seizing an opportunity to thrust this team right back into the conversation.  If you have a top 5 player and a supporting cast &#8211; you&#39;re right there.  With a Paul acquisition, we&#39;d have both.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ty185</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4465</link> <dc:creator>ty185</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 22:10:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4465</guid> <description>unless there&#039;s reason to believe that Melo is surely going to be available by deadline and we are favored to make it happen once he becomes available, I don&#039;t see how we can simply give up the chance of making a significant upgrade now VS a possibility to upgrade later? :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unless there&#39;s reason to believe that Melo is surely going to be available by deadline and we are favored to make it happen once he becomes available, I don&#39;t see how we can simply give up the chance of making a significant upgrade now VS a possibility to upgrade later? <img
src='http://www.red94.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jtr</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4464</link> <dc:creator>Jtr</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:35:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4464</guid> <description>I cannot envision how acquiring CP would improve the Rockets near as much as a trade deadline acquisition of Carmelo. The talent and production difference between CP and AB/Lowery is dwarfed by the difference between Carmelo and Ariza/Battier. The Rockets management should save their ammo for a super star who can make a significant difference.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot envision how acquiring CP would improve the Rockets near as much as a trade deadline acquisition of Carmelo. The talent and production difference between CP and AB/Lowery is dwarfed by the difference between Carmelo and Ariza/Battier. The Rockets management should save their ammo for a super star who can make a significant difference.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nobody is better than Jordan</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4461</link> <dc:creator>Nobody is better than Jordan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:14:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4461</guid> <description>I&#039;ve also noticed that the concerns I&#039;ve addressed in this thread about his knee injury are being more openly discussed among fans from teams that actually have a chance at landing CP3. &lt;br&gt;It&#039;s a real concern elsewhere, yet for some reason people still can&#039;t factor it in for fear of it ruining their fantasy.&lt;br&gt;Look, Houston didn&#039;t get any of the big free agents, it isn&#039;t the end of the world....well maybe for Cleavland it feels like it&#039;s the end of the world...but hey!...In Houston things are just getting started again.&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s gotten a little embarrassing to see Houston fans going through superstar withdrawal. Loss of TMac and doubts about Yao got people feeling a little deprived lately? Relax, buy a freakin&#039; Scola jersey and man up H-town. We&#039;re gonna be alright.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve also noticed that the concerns I&#39;ve addressed in this thread about his knee injury are being more openly discussed among fans from teams that actually have a chance at landing CP3. <br
/>It&#39;s a real concern elsewhere, yet for some reason people still can&#39;t factor it in for fear of it ruining their fantasy.<br
/>Look, Houston didn&#39;t get any of the big free agents, it isn&#39;t the end of the world&#8230;.well maybe for Cleavland it feels like it&#39;s the end of the world&#8230;but hey!&#8230;In Houston things are just getting started again.<br
/>It&#39;s gotten a little embarrassing to see Houston fans going through superstar withdrawal. Loss of TMac and doubts about Yao got people feeling a little deprived lately? Relax, buy a freakin&#39; Scola jersey and man up H-town. We&#39;re gonna be alright.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Carl Herrera</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4452</link> <dc:creator>Carl Herrera</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 02:37:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4452</guid> <description>One other thought:  I wonder if Yao Ming and the Hornets would agree to pull a &quot;Big Z Trade-and-Sign Manuver&quot; in a CP deal.  That is, his huge expiring contract gets involved in a CP trade to allow the Rockets to the most salary, with the understanding that the Hornets would waive him and he would then sign back with Houston (they still got their bi-annual exception).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I heard somewhere that the Hornets would prefer to dump both Okafor and Posey with CP.  Tough enough to take on Okafor and CP, adding Posey makes it even more difficult, perhaps even impossible for any team to pull it off while giving back only expiring or cheap contracts.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Rockets has plenty of expirings other than Yao, but to eat all 3 of them, Yao&#039;s salary would probably have to be involved.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thought:  I wonder if Yao Ming and the Hornets would agree to pull a &#8220;Big Z Trade-and-Sign Manuver&#8221; in a CP deal.  That is, his huge expiring contract gets involved in a CP trade to allow the Rockets to the most salary, with the understanding that the Hornets would waive him and he would then sign back with Houston (they still got their bi-annual exception).</p><p>I heard somewhere that the Hornets would prefer to dump both Okafor and Posey with CP.  Tough enough to take on Okafor and CP, adding Posey makes it even more difficult, perhaps even impossible for any team to pull it off while giving back only expiring or cheap contracts.</p><p>The Rockets has plenty of expirings other than Yao, but to eat all 3 of them, Yao&#39;s salary would probably have to be involved.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cARL HERERA</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4451</link> <dc:creator>cARL HERERA </dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 02:30:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4451</guid> <description>There was a mention on ESPN&#039;s website that if the Hornets explores a trade, they will not limit themselves to Paul&#039;s list and, for example, New Jersey and Charlotte are interested. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My guess is the Houston hasn&#039;t been named in national media because no one from the team went to the national media to &quot;leak&quot; their possible interest (and somebody from NJ or Charlotte probably did). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We&#039;ll see how it plays out, but it may be that since CP has 2 years left on the contract, the task here is more to convince the Hornets than to convince CP, so the Rockets are not trying to get publicity on the nature of their interest/offer, etc. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yeah, CP can threaten to (a) leave after 2 years, or (b) not even show up (ala Mourning in Toronto or Jimmy Jackson in, well, New Orleans).  However, I think the Rockets still take their chances in scenario (a) that they will win enough within the 2 years and-- hopefully win a trophy -- so that (i) CP will stay and (ii) even if he doesn&#039;t the championship is worth it.   I can&#039;t imagine CP would even contemplate scenario (b).  It&#039;ll ruin his image horribly (even more than the &quot;trade demand&quot; would) if he chose not to show up to what is a pretty good team even without Yao.   He&#039;s not a vet at the end of his career like Mourning or Jackson.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a mention on ESPN&#39;s website that if the Hornets explores a trade, they will not limit themselves to Paul&#39;s list and, for example, New Jersey and Charlotte are interested.</p><p>My guess is the Houston hasn&#39;t been named in national media because no one from the team went to the national media to &#8220;leak&#8221; their possible interest (and somebody from NJ or Charlotte probably did).</p><p>We&#39;ll see how it plays out, but it may be that since CP has 2 years left on the contract, the task here is more to convince the Hornets than to convince CP, so the Rockets are not trying to get publicity on the nature of their interest/offer, etc.</p><p>Yeah, CP can threaten to (a) leave after 2 years, or (b) not even show up (ala Mourning in Toronto or Jimmy Jackson in, well, New Orleans).  However, I think the Rockets still take their chances in scenario (a) that they will win enough within the 2 years and&#8211; hopefully win a trophy &#8212; so that (i) CP will stay and (ii) even if he doesn&#39;t the championship is worth it.   I can&#39;t imagine CP would even contemplate scenario (b).  It&#39;ll ruin his image horribly (even more than the &#8220;trade demand&#8221; would) if he chose not to show up to what is a pretty good team even without Yao.   He&#39;s not a vet at the end of his career like Mourning or Jackson.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Zen Monkey</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4450</link> <dc:creator>Zen Monkey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 00:28:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4450</guid> <description>If I were an owner, I&#039;d point to this as an example of the player&#039;s getting too much power and trying to take over the operations of a team.  This sort of example could help the owners&#039; side in the next CBA meeting.  If there can be fines for what is said about drug use or about the referees or the league, why not a fine for demanding a trade?  Using the media (or an agent talking to the media, etc) is the wrong way to let your team know what you want.  Of course, fines don&#039;t mean much to these players, but it would at least make an official statement that the league doesn&#039;t approve.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were an owner, I&#39;d point to this as an example of the player&#39;s getting too much power and trying to take over the operations of a team.  This sort of example could help the owners&#39; side in the next CBA meeting.  If there can be fines for what is said about drug use or about the referees or the league, why not a fine for demanding a trade?  Using the media (or an agent talking to the media, etc) is the wrong way to let your team know what you want.  Of course, fines don&#39;t mean much to these players, but it would at least make an official statement that the league doesn&#39;t approve.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sasaki</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4449</link> <dc:creator>Sasaki</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 22:52:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4449</guid> <description>I would however, add one thing that is interesting for Houston.&lt;br&gt;When I was looking for other team&#039;s potential offers for Chris Paul, one thing that gets thrown out there is that of offering a couple of draft picks as part of a larger package.  &lt;br&gt;The thing about it is that as is known, late first rounders (which almost assuredly would be the position of those picks for the team that received Paul) aren&#039;t that useful, especially as compared to second rounders which aren&#039;t that much worse talent-wise at a cheaper price.  Consequently, those picks are by and large filler.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Houston is more or less the only team that can give up young pieces, expiring contracts, and draft picks of any value depending on the outcome of New York&#039;s season.  I have no hesitation that in any trade for Paul, the Rockets would have to give up both New York picks among other things.  Just two more cents.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would however, add one thing that is interesting for Houston.<br
/>When I was looking for other team&#39;s potential offers for Chris Paul, one thing that gets thrown out there is that of offering a couple of draft picks as part of a larger package. <br
/>The thing about it is that as is known, late first rounders (which almost assuredly would be the position of those picks for the team that received Paul) aren&#39;t that useful, especially as compared to second rounders which aren&#39;t that much worse talent-wise at a cheaper price.  Consequently, those picks are by and large filler.</p><p>Houston is more or less the only team that can give up young pieces, expiring contracts, and draft picks of any value depending on the outcome of New York&#39;s season.  I have no hesitation that in any trade for Paul, the Rockets would have to give up both New York picks among other things.  Just two more cents.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rahat_huq</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4447</link> <dc:creator>rahat_huq</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 22:43:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4447</guid> <description>If I&#039;m not mistaken, Portland and Dallas don&#039;t have enough to take back Okafor as well.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#39;m not mistaken, Portland and Dallas don&#39;t have enough to take back Okafor as well.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sasaki</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4446</link> <dc:creator>Sasaki</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 22:39:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4446</guid> <description>The thing about it is I&#039;m not certain that Houston is the only team that could do the three things which you described.&lt;br&gt;Dallas can do it, and is helped by the fact that Beaubois is massively overrated due to his performance in Game 6 against the Spurs.  Portland could do it, though knowing them, you are correct in the idea that they will reject a Paul for Batum to somehow prop up this role player&#039;s value even more.  You&#039;re right in that Orlando and New York can&#039;t do it, but Houston isn&#039;t alone in being able to do what you described.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, maybe what the Superfriends has done has changed everything, but I still can&#039;t see Paul having leverage.  My example is that of Stephen Jackson - wanted to go to a contender ie. Cleveland or a Texas team when he wanted out of Golden State, and ended up in nowhere.  Of course, maybe being Lebron&#039;s buddy is good enough to get you leverage, at which point there needs to be a lockout and the players forced out.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about it is I&#39;m not certain that Houston is the only team that could do the three things which you described.<br
/>Dallas can do it, and is helped by the fact that Beaubois is massively overrated due to his performance in Game 6 against the Spurs.  Portland could do it, though knowing them, you are correct in the idea that they will reject a Paul for Batum to somehow prop up this role player&#39;s value even more.  You&#39;re right in that Orlando and New York can&#39;t do it, but Houston isn&#39;t alone in being able to do what you described.</p><p>That said, maybe what the Superfriends has done has changed everything, but I still can&#39;t see Paul having leverage.  My example is that of Stephen Jackson &#8211; wanted to go to a contender ie. Cleveland or a Texas team when he wanted out of Golden State, and ended up in nowhere.  Of course, maybe being Lebron&#39;s buddy is good enough to get you leverage, at which point there needs to be a lockout and the players forced out.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jcdeucer</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-2/#comment-4445</link> <dc:creator>Jcdeucer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:49:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4445</guid> <description>Chris Paul doesn&#039;t even have the benefit of a good Olympics performance to ease my mind of his playoff failures and terrible attitude.  At least Chris Bosh was absolutely great in high level olympic play, Chris Paul was the worst PG on the court at all times during the final games.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Paul doesn&#39;t even have the benefit of a good Olympics performance to ease my mind of his playoff failures and terrible attitude.  At least Chris Bosh was absolutely great in high level olympic play, Chris Paul was the worst PG on the court at all times during the final games.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dan</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-1/#comment-4443</link> <dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:42:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4443</guid> <description>I have very little respect for Adrian Woj as a sports journalist. I feel like his inability to objectively (or at least, without demonstrating a clear bias that reverberates in his unnamed sources) report on LeBron&#039;s decision has tainted his credibility as an &quot;inside&quot; source on NBA players (detailed here &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.warriorsworld.net/outside-look-at-wojnarowski%25E2%2580%2599s-lebron-article/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.warriorsworld.net/outside-look-at-wo...&lt;/a&gt;).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have very little respect for Adrian Woj as a sports journalist. I feel like his inability to objectively (or at least, without demonstrating a clear bias that reverberates in his unnamed sources) report on LeBron&#39;s decision has tainted his credibility as an &#8220;inside&#8221; source on NBA players (detailed here <a
href="http://www.warriorsworld.net/outside-look-at-wojnarowski%25E2%2580%2599s-lebron-article/" rel="nofollow">http://www.warriorsworld.net/outside-look-at-wo&#8230;</a>).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Blake</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-1/#comment-4439</link> <dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:01:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4439</guid> <description>I will never understand why people blame individual players for a team&#039;s lack of post-season success. Paul has averaged 22/5/11 per game in the playoffs. It isn&#039;t his fault that he hasn&#039;t had a good supporting cast.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for his personality, let&#039;s not forget that MJ punched a teammate, and Kobe is one of the biggest assholes in the NBA (remember the elbow to Battier&#039;s head?). All that matters, putting aside real criminal activity, is on-court production.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This anti-Paul attitude is just insane. He&#039;s hands-down the best PG in the league. If the Rockets are able to get him, they are a lock for the WCF, barring injuries.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will never understand why people blame individual players for a team&#39;s lack of post-season success. Paul has averaged 22/5/11 per game in the playoffs. It isn&#39;t his fault that he hasn&#39;t had a good supporting cast.</p><p>As for his personality, let&#39;s not forget that MJ punched a teammate, and Kobe is one of the biggest assholes in the NBA (remember the elbow to Battier&#39;s head?). All that matters, putting aside real criminal activity, is on-court production.</p><p>This anti-Paul attitude is just insane. He&#39;s hands-down the best PG in the league. If the Rockets are able to get him, they are a lock for the WCF, barring injuries.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nobody is better than Jordan</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-1/#comment-4438</link> <dc:creator>Nobody is better than Jordan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 07:44:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4438</guid> <description>Tesla, did you see how he played?&lt;br&gt;He may as well have sat out. It was that bad. In fact, I&#039;d go so far as to say Roy did more harm than good going out onto the court in his condition. He was not 100% after the tear in his knee. Wouldn&#039;t it be something if the whole dispute between Paul and the Hornets was a smokescreen to help Paul get shuffled off to another team without anybody fully realizing he may not have fully recovered from the tear in his knee or that there&#039;s a good chance it could remain an issue even after recovery?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tesla, did you see how he played?<br
/>He may as well have sat out. It was that bad. In fact, I&#39;d go so far as to say Roy did more harm than good going out onto the court in his condition. He was not 100% after the tear in his knee. Wouldn&#39;t it be something if the whole dispute between Paul and the Hornets was a smokescreen to help Paul get shuffled off to another team without anybody fully realizing he may not have fully recovered from the tear in his knee or that there&#39;s a good chance it could remain an issue even after recovery?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rahat_huq</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-1/#comment-4437</link> <dc:creator>rahat_huq</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 07:23:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4437</guid> <description>Agreed, couldn&#039;t figure that out.  He presented that as the biggest hurdle when I doubt it would even be a factor.  The hurdle is that Paul probably would veto any deal to Houston.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, couldn&#39;t figure that out.  He presented that as the biggest hurdle when I doubt it would even be a factor.  The hurdle is that Paul probably would veto any deal to Houston.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stephen</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-1/#comment-4435</link> <dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 07:21:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4435</guid> <description>It is odd for Feigen to consider Brooks an issue as Orlando&#039;s offer supposedly included Jameer Nelson(PG) as the best player involved,Dallas&#039; Roddy B(PG) would be the best player involved.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is odd for Feigen to consider Brooks an issue as Orlando&#39;s offer supposedly included Jameer Nelson(PG) as the best player involved,Dallas&#39; Roddy B(PG) would be the best player involved.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: bob schmidt</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-1/#comment-4436</link> <dc:creator>bob schmidt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 07:21:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4436</guid> <description>Just came across this, and anyone thinking about who Chris Paul is, and what he is up to should give it a quick read. It is interesting, and relative to this conversation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-paulfuture072310&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-paulfu...&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just came across this, and anyone thinking about who Chris Paul is, and what he is up to should give it a quick read. It is interesting, and relative to this conversation.<br
/><a
href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-paulfuture072310" rel="nofollow">http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-paulfu&#8230;</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dom</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-1/#comment-4433</link> <dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 05:38:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4433</guid> <description>Telsa, &lt;br&gt;I agree that Lowry is the better PG and Brooks will command more money. However, I think keeping AB  and using him off the bench as a 6th man will make the team better. It would be awesome if we could keep AB and Lowry and get Paul.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telsa, <br
/>I agree that Lowry is the better PG and Brooks will command more money. However, I think keeping AB  and using him off the bench as a 6th man will make the team better. It would be awesome if we could keep AB and Lowry and get Paul.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stephen</title><link>http://www.red94.net/chris-paul-speculation-gains-life/2961/comment-page-1/#comment-4432</link> <dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 05:12:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.red94.net/?p=2961#comment-4432</guid> <description>I&#039;ve seen quite a few comments that the Rockets need to get a top scoring SF. For the Rockets to do so,Martin will have to be traded. Otherwise,who&#039;s going to play defense?&lt;br&gt;Carmelo is almost as bad as Martin,and Granger,Iguodala,etc cannot spend their energy guarding the other team&#039;s top offensive player all game long and have much energy left for offense.&lt;br&gt;Jordan had Pippen do the defensive work for most of the game,Kobe had/has Fox,Ariza,Artest do the hard work for first 3 1/2 Qs,Durant has Sefalosha,Portland has been looking for a defender to pair w/Roy and Orlando has tried to pair Hedu/Carter w/Pietrus and Barnes.&lt;br&gt;Last season the Rockets had to try and outscore people and how did that work out? Ignoring defense on the perimeter and going all Phoenix 7 Seconds or Denver AI/Melo is a a recipe for Playoff failure.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And there&#039;s the question of shots. Do we want Yao getting 10-12 a game? Martin gets 18,Brooks will get 15,Yao and Scola prob 25+. If  the starters ave 36min,the bench should get 1/3 of starter&#039;s shots.&lt;br&gt;Last yr the Rockets ave&#039;d 94 shots a game. Let&#039;s give them 96 this season. Bench(Lowry,Bud,Hill,etc) get 24 plus the other 4 starters min 58 shots and you have a whopping 14 shots/game for your SF. Hard to imagine Carmelo happy w/that,much less paying near max for a Granger or Iggy to get such limited production on offense. Note I&#039;m assuming Brooks will get less than the 18 shots/game he had last yr,that Yao is getting @15 shots and Scola @10.&lt;br&gt;Also ignores Adelman&#039;s history of having a prime scorer,a secondary scorer and several players all capable of going off for 20-30 pts but counted on to score 10-15ppg.&lt;br&gt;Want aan elite SF,fine,Martin has to go.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve seen quite a few comments that the Rockets need to get a top scoring SF. For the Rockets to do so,Martin will have to be traded. Otherwise,who&#39;s going to play defense?<br
/>Carmelo is almost as bad as Martin,and Granger,Iguodala,etc cannot spend their energy guarding the other team&#39;s top offensive player all game long and have much energy left for offense.<br
/>Jordan had Pippen do the defensive work for most of the game,Kobe had/has Fox,Ariza,Artest do the hard work for first 3 1/2 Qs,Durant has Sefalosha,Portland has been looking for a defender to pair w/Roy and Orlando has tried to pair Hedu/Carter w/Pietrus and Barnes.<br
/>Last season the Rockets had to try and outscore people and how did that work out? Ignoring defense on the perimeter and going all Phoenix 7 Seconds or Denver AI/Melo is a a recipe for Playoff failure.</p><p>And there&#39;s the question of shots. Do we want Yao getting 10-12 a game? Martin gets 18,Brooks will get 15,Yao and Scola prob 25+. If  the starters ave 36min,the bench should get 1/3 of starter&#39;s shots.<br
/>Last yr the Rockets ave&#39;d 94 shots a game. Let&#39;s give them 96 this season. Bench(Lowry,Bud,Hill,etc) get 24 plus the other 4 starters min 58 shots and you have a whopping 14 shots/game for your SF. Hard to imagine Carmelo happy w/that,much less paying near max for a Granger or Iggy to get such limited production on offense. Note I&#39;m assuming Brooks will get less than the 18 shots/game he had last yr,that Yao is getting @15 shots and Scola @10.<br
/>Also ignores Adelman&#39;s history of having a prime scorer,a secondary scorer and several players all capable of going off for 20-30 pts but counted on to score 10-15ppg.<br
/>Want aan elite SF,fine,Martin has to go.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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