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Chris Paul speculation gains life, will Houston Rockets pursue?

22 Jul 2010 08:58 PM
by rahat huq

Ken Berger:

When Paul was quoted a few weeks ago as saying he’d be open to a trade if the Hornets aren’t committed to building a championship team, it was only a small hint as to the size of the chasm that exists between the franchise and its cornerstone player. Paul, in fact, has put into motion an aggressive exit strategy that will accelerate in the coming weeks, and his clear intention is to be traded before the start of the 2010-11 season, a person with direct knowledge of his plans told CBSSports.com Wednesday.

Update at 7:15PM on Sunday afternoon

To begin, many apologies for my truancy.  I needed to take care of some design changes but was not expecting the league’s best point guard to hit the market during my hiatus.  We have much to discuss.

We’ll work our way through the matter, from top to bottom, in sort of an inverted pyramid manner, touching on the broadest issues first.  No other logical means by which to proceed.

To begin, could the Rockets even make an offer if they wanted?  Paul has allegedly narrowed his choices down to a select few teams, the Rockets not being among them.  Yet he has two years remaining on his deal, thus not having the same leverage usually present in these sorts of situations (when the star player announces he just won’t re-sign with that particular team.)  On the other hand, as we’ve seen in the past, Paul could just refuse to report and kill the deal, an outside-the-rules reality in the post-generation-X NBA.  So could the Rockets even enter the bidding?  I don’t know.  (For those of you wondering why stars aren’t tripping over themselves to relocate to the Bayou City, take off the homer glasses – I’ll touch on this later.)

Moving on, should the Rockets make a pitch, knowing they run the risk of losing Paul altogether when his contract expires?  Absolutely.  From top to bottom, this team has pieces which fit perfectly and in a complementary manner, giving the Rockets hope for the playoffs.  For a player the caliber of Paul, that all goes out the window.

There’s a strong case to be made that the player of whom we are speaking has been the best point guard in basketball since Magic Johnson.  This is a legitimate top-5 talent, in the prime of his career.  Getting Chris Paul immediately enters you in the discussion for championships, so long as you can build a supporting cast, which Daryl Morey can.  It’s these elite level talents which are so rare to find, and if you can acquire one, you do it, the system be damned.

What would it take?  For starters, you’ll have to take back Emeka Okafor.  The deal would require, at the least, Aaron Brooks, Jordan Hill, and picks (with the larger contracts of any combination of Battier, Jeffries, and Ariza to make the numbers match.)  Frankly speaking, you’ll have to give up a king’s ransom.

Do the Rockets have a chance?  It all depends on Paul.  If he won’t agree to come, it’s a moot point.  If he signed off on a deal, I don’t see a team out there that can offer the Hornets a better package.

Would the Rockets pursue a deal?  I think so.  Daryl Morey has spoken at length of the need to acquire an elite level talent.  He’s been saving for this moment for the last two years and now would be that chance to break the proverbial piggy bank and make “his” move.

While Okafor owns the most flagrant contract currently in basketball, this is a player with considerable on-court worth; we’re not talking about Eddy Curry.  He can anchor a defense and keep Yao fresh, platooning with Scola to give the Rockets an impressive big-man trio.

A lineup of Paul, Martin, Yao, and Scola, with Lowry, Okafor, and whichever of Ariza/Budinger wasn’t dealt could contend now.

More importantly, and this is just me speculating, I wonder if there could be stipulations in the new collective bargaining agreement which would allow for a team to more easily retain its talent (ie: greater disparity between maximum annual raises, a franchise tag etc.)  Were that the case, I’d bet Morey would be more than willing to gamble on Paul, liking his chances to re-sign him in two summers.

Update: Couple of thoughts this morning while I drink my coffee.  First, unless the Hornets have deluded expectations for their season, it makes little sense for them to deal Paul before February.  One might argue that not acquiescing to his demands would make him a cancer, but the Hornets weren’t going anywhere this year anyways.  They’re better off just holding onto him and hoping he changes his mind with time.  They also can’t afford the losses they would take at the gates if dealing Paul so early.

On the other hand, one could argue that perhaps if they were overwhelmed by someone’s offer, say the Rockets’, and feared it would not again be available (ie: the Rockets would use some of those parts to trade for someone else if turned down now), they would deal Paul now.

When seeing Dallas mentioned among the list of preferences, two thoughts immediately came to mind:

1) how stupid do the Mavs feel now for prematurely trading their best chip in the partially guaranteed contract of Dampier?  That contract was so attractive because, unlike Battier and Jeffries, an acquiring team could gain instant savings.  In the case of normal expiring contracts, teams prefer to wait until the deadline so as to only need to pay a half-season’s worth of deadweight salary.  Dampier would have given the Mavs an edge there.  For those of you earlier expressing frustration with Morey for standing pat after striking out on Bosh, let this be a lesson.  Patience is a virtue.

2) The first report mentioned only Orlando, New York, and LA, with LA sort of the default ‘desirable destination,’ leaving me to worry that these trade demands were exclusively born from a desire for a ‘SuperFriends 2.0′ union.  That the Mavs and Blazers are on Paul’s list means it could just be about going to a good team, giving the Rockets some small glimmer of hope.

To those of you wondering why the Rockets are never mentioned on these lists, it’s not exactly rocket science.  For one, while we here all feel optimistic about their future with Morey at the helm, the team hasn’t exactly enjoyed much playoff success in recent history – what reason would an objective outsider have to feel that same optimism?  More importantly, if you’re muscling your way out of town, it’s doubtful you’d be tripping over yourself to come to a team whose best player might not ever play.  Again, we’re all optimistic about Yao’s surgery, but why would any of these players be?  All they know is that this guy has been injured for most of his career – why would anyone hitch their wagon to that?  That’s just how it goes.

So it comes as no surprise that the Rockets aren’t on Paul’s wish list.  We just have to hope that he’d deem it an acceptable destination.  Hey, that’s at least something.

Final thought for now is on Okafor who actually has me excited as a potential acquisition.  This normally shouldn’t be the case, but if you’re over the luxury tax, it’s better to be far over then just barely, assuming your owner is willing to allow it.  I won’t dig into the Synergy stats until there’s some indication Houston could have interest, but Emeka is defensively elite.  He could anchor the middle and help the team restore some of what its lost of its defensive identity.

He would also allow you to play Budinger and Martin in tandem on the wings as they wouldn’t be so vulnerable with someone behind them.  A perimeter trio of Budinger, Martin, and Paul would be frighteningly explosive with the former two certain to see looks they never knew existed.

Update: I find it mind-blowing that there are actually people out there who don’t think the Rockets should pursue Paul.  Unless clouded by some delusion of where the team stands, I have to ask who exactly you’re waiting on – Lebron James and Kevin Durant just inked new deals.

Chris Paul puts you in the conversation.  That’s all you need.  Right now, the Houston Rockets are not in the conversation and there’s no telling when they might be ever again.  If you have Chris Paul, you can start to talk about rings.  Would they be the favorites?  No way.  If trading for Paul, there would be just as good a chance this year as getting the 2 seed as there would be of not securing home-court.  But with a year of gaining familiarity and  revamping the cupboard, you’re right there.

This is the deal Morey has been waiting for since he took over.  For all the media talk on awaiting that one big blockbuster from Morey, this is it.  There has not been a guy on the market like this since Morey took over and there likely won’t be ever again, at least not while the Rockets have the goods to strike a deal.  I think some of us take these situations for granted considering it was just 5 years ago that we nabbed a player of similar stature.  Chris Pauls don’t change teams at age 25.  We just saw Lebron leave and he did it on his own – you can nab Paul while he doesn’t have a choice.

As great as McGrady was in ‘04, CP3 is more dominant and that’s scary.  He doesn’t have the same question marks and would instantly bring leadership.  He puts you in the conversation.  Right now, with a team approach, the Rockets have to hope everything is clicking come playoff time to even have a chance.  With a player like Paul, one who can win a series by himself, you gain that much more room for error.  When you can pencil in 25 and 10 (assists) for the series per game, you no longer need everyone else to play flawlessly to win a round, you now just hope a few others step up to win two or more.  And you’re in the conversation.

Update 10:26AM:  Jonathan Feigen:

The Rockets’ chances to get Paul, should the Hornets decide they can make the best of his dissatisfaction by dealing him, do not look good.

They can put together an attractive package, with enough expiring contracts, young talent and picks to make a deal workable and attractive, with maybe enough money included to take a bad contract (Emeka Okafor, come on down) off the Hornets hands. But the best player the Rockets could offer, Aaron Brooks, plays the same position as Paul, the same position as similarly swift and slight young point guard Darren Collison.

I’ve seen this argument posed many times in making the case against our chances, but this doesn’t make much sense.  The Hornets don’t have to keep Brooks – they can arrange a deal to ship him elsewhere or do it at a later date the following summer.  If you’re not a contender, the key in trades is to extract maximum value not positional need.

Both surprising and interesting that Feigen cited that as the prime case against our chances when our biggest hurdle is actually the fact that Paul could just refuse to report and kill a deal.

Update at 8:14PM on Friday night: A reader, Zenmonkeys, writes:

I don’t like the trend that this would be encouraging. It sets a bad precedent to let players demand the terms of their own trades. When you sign a contract, you give up the freedom that comes with being a free agent in exchange for job security in the event that your market value decreases. Now players want the best of both, the ability to move at will and guaranteed money.

I’m glad someone brought this up because I’ve been meaning to address it – I completely agree.  You all know that I had no problem, or even fully supported, Lebron’s decision to bolt.  He was a free agent, had paid his due, and was within his rights.

But this? With still two years left on his deal, what Chris Paul is trying to do….this is just deplorable and flat-out bad for the game.

Having said that…you all know me.  I’ve never been one to let my moral compass guide my thought process in basketball matters.  (Perhaps I should be embarrassed about that but I’ve never claimed to have good character.)  If the Rockets can benefit from a situation I find detestable, I’m all for it.  (I can’t believe I just wrote that, but that’s really how I stand on this.)  This shouldn’t be happening, we can’t let this happen, make sure it never happens again, but damn if it’s going to happen, let’s get in on it…

On that note, I’m pretty confused by the media coverage of this whole thing.  By the constant trumpeting of Paul’s “wish list” and its particulars, you almost get the sense that only those teams actually have a shot and the Hornets are really going to actually bend over for this guy and acquiesce to his wishes.

Wait a minute.

That’s not really going to happen, right? It seems like he’s just given off the vibe that he won’t report anywhere else because I really can’t believe New Orleans is actually considering those packages from New York and Orlando.

I should mention I’m waiting for the report to break that the Blazers have turned down a Hornets offer of Paul for Nick Batum (plus contracts).  It’s about that time of the month for one of those to be leaked by the Blazers brass.  Has there ever been a more overrated prospect in sports history than Batum?  Kris Benson comes to mind.

Update at 11:40AM on Saturday: Just browsing through the news, one thing I find bewildering is that aside from a Bill Simmons tweet (which was undoubtedly born out of merely his friendship with Morey rather than conviction about the statement) I have yet to see even a single mention of the Rockets as a possible partner.  I’m not talking “likely” or even “possible” destination, just even a “hey, the Rockets would make some sense, don’t you think?” mention akin to the exposure we got with Bosh…

That’s really surprising considering there isn’t a single team in the entire league other than Houston that can offer cheap young talent and absorb Okafor’s contract without sending back long-term salary AND still be left over with a lineup that could still contend after the trade.  Hell, forget the last one, you can’t even find another team that can satisfy the first two.

That leaves us with only two possibilities:

1) the media has been slothful in its diligence, neglecting inquiry into the full scope of possibilities and overlooking a potential suitor in the Rockets

2) Paul actually has more leverage than should be comprehensively possible for such a situation

I picked the first one for the Bosh chase, so I have to go with #2 this time around, which, if true, is quite a shocking and sad, sad, utterly pathetic state of affairs for the NBA.  It should come as stupefying that a team is being held hostage by a player with two years remaining on his contract and might have to turn away a suitor that could meet all of its needs (to as reasonable of an extent as such an unfortunate situation would allow).

Set aside my loyalty to the Rockets – the insinuation that the Hornets would even entertain those garbage offers from Orlando/New York should come as insulting to one’s intelligence in any normal world….and yet, it’s real!

I sided with labor after the Lebron fall-out.  But this…this is not good for the NBA.

Update at 10:24PM on Saturday night: I think Tracy McGrady might be signing with the Bulls…hmmm.

Back to Chris Paul: I don’t know why his contract status would be seen as sufficient deterrent and I would bet Morey feels the same way.  It’s a two year window to convince a guy to stay, not to mention a potentially favorable CBA.  Sure, he might not be “thrilled” to come here, but if he came, with our already loaded roster, you’d have to like our chances at changing his mind and keeping him aboard.  It’s a risk but that’s just a chance you have to take.  Dare to be great or you’ll be stuck on the sidelines.

The real question is whether he’d just flat out refuse to report and kill the deal.  Some in the comments are of the opinion he wouldn’t dare out of fear of further tarnishing his reputation.  I disagree.  I think the mindset is that now that the damage has already been done, he damn well at least better be able to get what he wanted or this was all counterproductive.

How good could this team be with Paul?  Just considering the matchups, they would stand a fair chance against the Lakers.  Paul would destroy their 1’s, offsetting Kobe’s production.  While Kobe would have his way with Martin, he would also have to play defense, something he hasn’t had to do against the Rockets.  Budinger, with Paul feeding him, you would think would more than have his way with Artest.  And with so much offense from the perimeter, you could even just go with Okafor and Hayes instead of Yao and Scola to shut down Gasol and Bynum.  This team would be sickeningly loaded.  We can only dream.

Adding Chris Bosh would have vaulted this team into contention.  But even then, they would have had to hope for the Pistons model of success, something very rarely done – Bosh is just a great piece but can’t carry a team.  With Paul, you’d be trying to win it the way its usually won – the hard part would be done; you’d finally have “that” guy.

Update at 2:29PM on Sunday afternoon:

A reader, Carl Herrera, writes:

One other thought: I wonder if Yao Ming and the Hornets would agree to pull a “Big Z Trade-and-Sign Manuver” in a CP deal. That is, his huge expiring contract gets involved in a CP trade to allow the Rockets to the most salary, with the understanding that the Hornets would waive him and he would then sign back with Houston (they still got their bi-annual exception).

I heard somewhere that the Hornets would prefer to dump both Okafor and Posey with CP. Tough enough to take on Okafor and CP, adding Posey makes it even more difficult, perhaps even impossible for any team to pull it off while giving back only expiring or cheap contracts.

The Rockets has plenty of expirings other than Yao, but to eat all 3 of them, Yao’s salary would probably have to be involved.

An interesting possibility inasmuch as that it would also allow for Yao to rest during the moratorium period before he could be re-signed.

The only problem here is that while Bird Rights transfer via trade, the clock is reset upon a player’s being waived (see: Coon, questions #19 and #26).  They could sign him back this year with the bi-annual or the veteran’s minimum, but they’d have no way of keeping him next year unless he settled for that same amount or the MLE.  Yao’s selfless, but I can’t see even him sacrificing the difference of $12million.

Another note: as I’m feeling quite comfortable with this new long column format (as opposed to the daily short posts from last year), I’ve set it to automatically send out a tweet upon post updates and not just new posts as it had been.  Be sure to follow Red94 on twitter.

Update at 6:41PM on Sunday afternoon:

Okafor’s contract makes Paul to Orlando unlikely:

The Orlando Magic might be atop the wish list of disgruntled point guard Chris Paul — which is expected with center Dwight Howard on their roster — but they don’t sound very confident of landing him anytime soon.

They are not convinced that New Orleans will be bullied into trading their franchise player, not with two years remaining on his contract.

And they still are not interested in taking the bloated contract of teammate Emeka Okafor to make it happen because it would sentence them to long-term payroll disaster.

from the same article:

The Hornets, though, are under no obligation to accommodate Paul, and they try and convince him Monday to buy into their future plans with a new coach and new general manager. If they decide to trade him, they will open the bidding to everyone, create a frenzy of interest.

Update at 7:15PM on Sunday afternoon:

First, my thoughts on the above.  The Houston Rockets are really the elephant in the room.  It’s become increasingly clear that few teams have the goods or the stomach to take back Emeka Okafor.  If nothing is resolved by the Monday meeting, and the bidding is opened, will the Rockets finally even be mentioned as a possibility?

A reader, Nobody is better than Jordan, writes:

I’ve also noticed that the concerns I’ve addressed in this thread about his knee injury are being more openly discussed among fans from teams that actually have a chance at landing CP3.
It’s a real concern elsewhere, yet for some reason people still can’t factor it in for fear of it ruining their fantasy.
Look, Houston didn’t get any of the big free agents, it isn’t the end of the world….well maybe for Cleavland it feels like it’s the end of the world…but hey!…In Houston things are just getting started again.
It’s gotten a little embarrassing to see Houston fans going through superstar withdrawal. Loss of TMac and doubts about Yao got people feeling a little deprived lately? Relax, buy a freakin’ Scola jersey and man up H-town. We’re gonna be alright.

A reader, Stephen, offers my response:

Aside from actual on-court play-things like passing inside to big men where they can do something w/the ball and penetrating and dishing-I want Paul for his mental attitude. He is a leader,a fierce competitor who hates to lose,someone the Rockets sorely need. This mental aspect is something the SF flavor of the moment lacks.
The Rocket roster would be a perfectly tuned Steinway for Paul to make beautiful music with. The SFs mentioned are just another electric guitar w/out an amp.

The reader is right that if no moves are made, it certainly will not be “the end of the world.”  As I’ve said myself, the Rockets could take the floor tomorrow and contend for the #2 seed.  But this misses the point entirely.

We shouldn’t become complacent with mere respectability.  The goal is competing for championships and to that end, this team as currently composed, is still quite a ways away.  It takes risks and this one would be well worth it.

Remember the “but he still can’t lead a team” question marks we overlooked with Bosh because he was such a great fit?  Those aren’t there with Paul.  He would instantly instill leadership and put this team on his back.

Final thought for now: I remembered earlier today something Charles Barkley was fond of saying in ‘97.  He often said, during interviews, regarding himself, Hakeem, and Clyde, that they were “no longer great players, but were just very good players.”

That’s the case with this current team.  Yao included, they have a lot of “good” to “very good” players, but no “great” players.

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  • beraten
    At no point do the rox need to include Yao. If they need to absorb CP3, Posey, and Okafor, they can do so with a deal of Hill, Brooks, Battier, Jeffries, Ariza and Andersen (who only has one more year guaranteed, de facto final year). They eat 5 mil, and its a six for three deal, but the hornets only have 12 guys under contract, so it would work.

    Additionally, were the rockets to include Budinger or the Knicks pix, they could offer a package of those three assets to a third team who is under the cap, like sacramento, in exchange for them picking up the tab on a year of Battier. If the picks are worth 3 mil each, then 'selling' them by trading them to a team to take salary makes sense. We all know Bud is worth more than 3/4 mil, is someone willing to pay extra salary for him?

    By renting cap space in this way, they can send new orleans 12 million less than they take (or 20 mil if they do it twice), take Okafor and Posey, and STILL make a legit bid (Ariza, Brooks, Hill)
  • Dan
    Finally found a mention of the Rockets in a proposed Chris Paul trade http://www.walterfootball.com/nbadraftoffseasonblog2010_0726.php. Unfortunately, the author is a blogger and not affiliated with any major publications and also sees the Rockets as a "dark horse" in any Paul deal. On the other hand, he underrates the assets available to the Rockets in a hypothetical Chris Paul trade.

    I agree with some other commentators on the unlikeliness of Chris Paul being traded for another "star" player, which would seem to increase the Rockets' chances. However, I think this same blog raises a good point with Brandon Roy - the Trailblazers actually have a talented/potential laden shooting guard in Rudy Fernandez who would need to be traded right now unless the team can find more minutes for him. Giving up Roy could outweigh any potential deal the Rockets have, although if the Hornets decided to go into full rebuild mode, they might still find the Rockets more attractive as a destination for Paul since Brandon Roy for Chris Paul just makes them a slightly worse team that is still a fringe playoff contender without significant hope of competing. The possible Roy trade also ignores the fact that Fernandez is coming off a dissapointing season in which he came into conflict with the coach and expressed desires to be traded or return to Europe, making it less likely the Blazers would be willing to risk starting him next year.
  • cheolee
    btw, there is no debate between paul/granger/iggy/gwallace. for example, team USA is trying to decide between granger/iggy/wallace. can you imagine them contemplating whether or not they should cut paul from the team? paul is 1st team all-nba when healthy. yao is 2nd team all-nba. that along with top 3 collection of supporting cast should be able to compete for championship.
  • Stephen
    Les is not trading Yao.
    Read Simmons and you'll see how often his "trades" involve one star for another.
    Total non-starter as the Rockets have more than enough to trade for Paul w/out needing to include Yao.
    (And we're supposed to believe George Shinn-GEORGE SHINN!!!-is going to pay Yao $12mil+ to NOT play for him?)

    Aside from actual on-court play-things like passing inside to big men where they can do something w/the ball and penetrating and dishing-I want Paul for his mental attitude. He is a leader,a fierce competitor who hates to lose,someone the Rockets sorely need. This mental aspect is something the SF flavor of the moment lacks.
    The Rocket roster would be a perfectly tuned Steinway for Paul to make beautiful music with. The SFs mentioned are just another electric guitar w/out an amp.

    Anyone notice how Iguodala is being praised by Coach K for not needing the ball,for blending in. Yeah,that's what the Rockets need-another good role player at near-max money. And what does it say that Granger can't beat out Iggy? These are not Franchise players,they're just very good,which is not what the Rockets need to put them over the top at this time.
    Carmelo is an outstanding scoring machine. But he doesn't pass,won't defend and only collects offensive rebounds because it gives him another opportunity at shooting. You cannot pair him w/Martin-and Brooks-unless you want to see how fast the Rocket bigs foul out trying to protect the paint.
  • Carl Herrera
    Re: Latest update:

    The loss of Bird Rights is a factor I thought about, too, and I agree it's the biggest obstacle to pulling this off. While Yao won't lose much money, if any, for THIS season (presumably, the Hornets would agree ahead of the trade to a small-ish discount for the buyout), the loss of Bird Rights means that, next season, assuming something like the current system holds, the most the Rockets can pay him is the MLE. And who know whether the MLE or even the Bird Exception will remain in place under the new MLE. They might, however, make a "Joe Smith" deal with him (of course, hopefully not putting it on paper) to (a) sign Yao back with the Bi-Annual Exception for the rest of the season, with a 2nd year player option (to give Yao some security), with a promise to (b) spend the MLE (or whatever the highest dollar they can pay him with) next offseason when he opts out, on a 3 year deal with 3rd year player option, and with a further promise to (c) sign him to a full Bird-Right deal once he opts out fo the MLE-ish deal to compensate him for the discount the took in the earlier years.

    Maybe too much machination for it to work, and it would be easiest for Yao to simply hook up with another team with cap room (assuming the market for him is hot at that time) after being waived, but it would theoretically allow Yao to get some of this money back if everyone agrees to make it work.

    The only other way I can see to eat CP, Okafor and Posey while leaving NOH only expirings would have to involve third teams-- i.e. something involving the Rockets sending NOH Battier, Jeffries, and Andersen, and sending someone like Ariza to a third team interested in his services, who eather has cap room/trade exception to eat his contract or agrees to send an expiring to NOH.



    This would then mean that the best move for Yao would to move now would be to sign on with a team with cap room for the most salary that he can, so that not only does he get the his "non-Bird" rights (or even "Early Bird" right)

  • Jtr
    I cannot envision how acquiring CP would improve the Rockets near as much as a trade deadline acquisition of Carmelo. The talent and production difference between CP and AB/Lowery is dwarfed by the difference between Carmelo and Ariza/Battier. The Rockets management should save their ammo for a super star who can make a significant difference.
  • ty185
    unless there's reason to believe that Melo is surely going to be available by deadline and we are favored to make it happen once he becomes available, I don't see how we can simply give up the chance of making a significant upgrade now VS a possibility to upgrade later? :)
  • Nobody is better than Jordan
    I've also noticed that the concerns I've addressed in this thread about his knee injury are being more openly discussed among fans from teams that actually have a chance at landing CP3.
    It's a real concern elsewhere, yet for some reason people still can't factor it in for fear of it ruining their fantasy.
    Look, Houston didn't get any of the big free agents, it isn't the end of the world....well maybe for Cleavland it feels like it's the end of the world...but hey!...In Houston things are just getting started again.
    It's gotten a little embarrassing to see Houston fans going through superstar withdrawal. Loss of TMac and doubts about Yao got people feeling a little deprived lately? Relax, buy a freakin' Scola jersey and man up H-town. We're gonna be alright.
  • rahat_huq
    I have to disagree with you here, my man. I do agree that ultimately we'll be "alright", but do you honestly, I mean, honestly, see this team winning a title without a major acquisition? If nothing happens, the sun will still rise, but this is about seizing an opportunity to thrust this team right back into the conversation. If you have a top 5 player and a supporting cast - you're right there. With a Paul acquisition, we'd have both.
  • Carl Herrera
    One other thought: I wonder if Yao Ming and the Hornets would agree to pull a "Big Z Trade-and-Sign Manuver" in a CP deal. That is, his huge expiring contract gets involved in a CP trade to allow the Rockets to the most salary, with the understanding that the Hornets would waive him and he would then sign back with Houston (they still got their bi-annual exception).

    I heard somewhere that the Hornets would prefer to dump both Okafor and Posey with CP. Tough enough to take on Okafor and CP, adding Posey makes it even more difficult, perhaps even impossible for any team to pull it off while giving back only expiring or cheap contracts.

    The Rockets has plenty of expirings other than Yao, but to eat all 3 of them, Yao's salary would probably have to be involved.

  • cARL HERERA
    There was a mention on ESPN's website that if the Hornets explores a trade, they will not limit themselves to Paul's list and, for example, New Jersey and Charlotte are interested.

    My guess is the Houston hasn't been named in national media because no one from the team went to the national media to "leak" their possible interest (and somebody from NJ or Charlotte probably did).

    We'll see how it plays out, but it may be that since CP has 2 years left on the contract, the task here is more to convince the Hornets than to convince CP, so the Rockets are not trying to get publicity on the nature of their interest/offer, etc.

    Yeah, CP can threaten to (a) leave after 2 years, or (b) not even show up (ala Mourning in Toronto or Jimmy Jackson in, well, New Orleans). However, I think the Rockets still take their chances in scenario (a) that they will win enough within the 2 years and-- hopefully win a trophy -- so that (i) CP will stay and (ii) even if he doesn't the championship is worth it. I can't imagine CP would even contemplate scenario (b). It'll ruin his image horribly (even more than the "trade demand" would) if he chose not to show up to what is a pretty good team even without Yao. He's not a vet at the end of his career like Mourning or Jackson.




  • Zen Monkey
    If I were an owner, I'd point to this as an example of the player's getting too much power and trying to take over the operations of a team. This sort of example could help the owners' side in the next CBA meeting. If there can be fines for what is said about drug use or about the referees or the league, why not a fine for demanding a trade? Using the media (or an agent talking to the media, etc) is the wrong way to let your team know what you want. Of course, fines don't mean much to these players, but it would at least make an official statement that the league doesn't approve.
  • Sasaki
    I would however, add one thing that is interesting for Houston.
    When I was looking for other team's potential offers for Chris Paul, one thing that gets thrown out there is that of offering a couple of draft picks as part of a larger package.
    The thing about it is that as is known, late first rounders (which almost assuredly would be the position of those picks for the team that received Paul) aren't that useful, especially as compared to second rounders which aren't that much worse talent-wise at a cheaper price. Consequently, those picks are by and large filler.

    Houston is more or less the only team that can give up young pieces, expiring contracts, and draft picks of any value depending on the outcome of New York's season. I have no hesitation that in any trade for Paul, the Rockets would have to give up both New York picks among other things. Just two more cents.
  • Sasaki
    The thing about it is I'm not certain that Houston is the only team that could do the three things which you described.
    Dallas can do it, and is helped by the fact that Beaubois is massively overrated due to his performance in Game 6 against the Spurs. Portland could do it, though knowing them, you are correct in the idea that they will reject a Paul for Batum to somehow prop up this role player's value even more. You're right in that Orlando and New York can't do it, but Houston isn't alone in being able to do what you described.

    That said, maybe what the Superfriends has done has changed everything, but I still can't see Paul having leverage. My example is that of Stephen Jackson - wanted to go to a contender ie. Cleveland or a Texas team when he wanted out of Golden State, and ended up in nowhere. Of course, maybe being Lebron's buddy is good enough to get you leverage, at which point there needs to be a lockout and the players forced out.
  • rahat_huq
    If I'm not mistaken, Portland and Dallas don't have enough to take back Okafor as well.
  • Jcdeucer
    Chris Paul doesn't even have the benefit of a good Olympics performance to ease my mind of his playoff failures and terrible attitude. At least Chris Bosh was absolutely great in high level olympic play, Chris Paul was the worst PG on the court at all times during the final games.
  • Stephen
    It is odd for Feigen to consider Brooks an issue as Orlando's offer supposedly included Jameer Nelson(PG) as the best player involved,Dallas' Roddy B(PG) would be the best player involved.
  • rahat_huq
    Agreed, couldn't figure that out. He presented that as the biggest hurdle when I doubt it would even be a factor. The hurdle is that Paul probably would veto any deal to Houston.
  • bob schmidt
    Just came across this, and anyone thinking about who Chris Paul is, and what he is up to should give it a quick read. It is interesting, and relative to this conversation.
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-paulfuture072310
  • Dan
    I have very little respect for Adrian Woj as a sports journalist. I feel like his inability to objectively (or at least, without demonstrating a clear bias that reverberates in his unnamed sources) report on LeBron's decision has tainted his credibility as an "inside" source on NBA players (detailed here http://www.warriorsworld.net/outside-look-at-wojnarowski%E2%80%99s-lebron-article/).
  • Dom
    Telsa,
    I agree that Lowry is the better PG and Brooks will command more money. However, I think keeping AB and using him off the bench as a 6th man will make the team better. It would be awesome if we could keep AB and Lowry and get Paul.
  • Stephen
    I've seen quite a few comments that the Rockets need to get a top scoring SF. For the Rockets to do so,Martin will have to be traded. Otherwise,who's going to play defense?
    Carmelo is almost as bad as Martin,and Granger,Iguodala,etc cannot spend their energy guarding the other team's top offensive player all game long and have much energy left for offense.
    Jordan had Pippen do the defensive work for most of the game,Kobe had/has Fox,Ariza,Artest do the hard work for first 3 1/2 Qs,Durant has Sefalosha,Portland has been looking for a defender to pair w/Roy and Orlando has tried to pair Hedu/Carter w/Pietrus and Barnes.
    Last season the Rockets had to try and outscore people and how did that work out? Ignoring defense on the perimeter and going all Phoenix 7 Seconds or Denver AI/Melo is a a recipe for Playoff failure.

    And there's the question of shots. Do we want Yao getting 10-12 a game? Martin gets 18,Brooks will get 15,Yao and Scola prob 25+. If the starters ave 36min,the bench should get 1/3 of starter's shots.
    Last yr the Rockets ave'd 94 shots a game. Let's give them 96 this season. Bench(Lowry,Bud,Hill,etc) get 24 plus the other 4 starters min 58 shots and you have a whopping 14 shots/game for your SF. Hard to imagine Carmelo happy w/that,much less paying near max for a Granger or Iggy to get such limited production on offense. Note I'm assuming Brooks will get less than the 18 shots/game he had last yr,that Yao is getting @15 shots and Scola @10.
    Also ignores Adelman's history of having a prime scorer,a secondary scorer and several players all capable of going off for 20-30 pts but counted on to score 10-15ppg.
    Want aan elite SF,fine,Martin has to go.
  • Jcdeucer
    Maybe Rahat could do a statistical analysis of Paul. I've never liked his game, never liked his attitude. He's never played really well besides gaudy regular season stats, only won one playoff series (against Dallas, biggest playoff choke team) in his 5 seasons and made the playoffs twice . He's an asshole to boot according to off the court rumors. I'd be happy if Morey passed it up, although if his stats nerds determine it's worth it then I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
  • Blake
    I will never understand why people blame individual players for a team's lack of post-season success. Paul has averaged 22/5/11 per game in the playoffs. It isn't his fault that he hasn't had a good supporting cast.

    As for his personality, let's not forget that MJ punched a teammate, and Kobe is one of the biggest assholes in the NBA (remember the elbow to Battier's head?). All that matters, putting aside real criminal activity, is on-court production.

    This anti-Paul attitude is just insane. He's hands-down the best PG in the league. If the Rockets are able to get him, they are a lock for the WCF, barring injuries.
  • Tesla
    dom,

    Not sure I agree with that. The numbers show that Lowry is a much better back-up (and most likely starter) than Brooks due to his ability to play great defense, draw fouls, rebound and push the pace. There is also the fact that Brooks is likely to command more money at the end of the season when his contract runs out.
  • dom
    rahat,

    I think if we trade for Paul we should keep AB and give up Lowry. Lowry and Paul are similar players, with the exception of Paul being an elite PG. AB could move to the bench as PG or SG (0r both) and light it up off the bench.
  • Tesla
    This might sound crazy, but I would try and flip Yao for Anthony in the hopes of getting Paul to come to Houston. That would be for winning; I'm not sure *what Les would think of that from a marketing perspective.

    Paul, Martin, Anthony, Scola and Okafor would be a disgustingly good offensive line-up and a formidable defensive line-up. Think of the pick and roll/pop with Anthony or Scola and the shooters not involved to space things out? Okafor can be a great garbage guy on offense with the lin-up.
  • Tesla
    This might sound crazy, but I would try and flip Yao for Anthony in the hopes of getting Paul to come to Houston. That would be for winning; I'm not sure why Les would think of that from a marketing perspective.
  • mike
    if he goes to the knicks that makes our draft picks from them worthless.
  • Tesla
    Nobody is better than Jordan, Paul tore his meniscus, which isn't really a big deal. Brandon Boy was playing a week after having surgery to repair his meniscus.
  • Nobody is better than Jordan
    Tesla, did you see how he played?
    He may as well have sat out. It was that bad. In fact, I'd go so far as to say Roy did more harm than good going out onto the court in his condition. He was not 100% after the tear in his knee. Wouldn't it be something if the whole dispute between Paul and the Hornets was a smokescreen to help Paul get shuffled off to another team without anybody fully realizing he may not have fully recovered from the tear in his knee or that there's a good chance it could remain an issue even after recovery?
  • A.
    Jameer Nelson tore his meniscus, sure he needed some time to recover but he looks pretty solid these days. Worst case scenario, even slightly slower Paul would still be an awesome PG (vision, passing, TS%). Rockets would be quite a sight with Paul orchestrating the offense. BTW, I'm a Wizards fan but this blog has some amazingly insightful comments.
  • Nobody is better than Jordan
    Okay, CP3 is already suppposed to have said when addressing Miami's move and Stoudemire in NY, "We'll form our own big 3".
    Translation: Houston who?
    So many supposed Rockets fans are talking out both sides of their mouths in the hopes of landing a deal for CP3.
    These same people have time after time discredited Brooks as not being a true point guard, or expressing dislike over some other area of his game he
    seems to be undeveloped in. Yet, these same people say in the same breath when proposing a deal with the Hornets to package Brooks, as if he's suddenly worthy of trade bait for a "great point guard". Please. It's just madness. Some people are just foaming at the mouth to get a star athlete and they overlook the rising value of what they already have. People have become way too impatient.
    Besides, does anybody not remember how injury prone CP3 was last season? He had a couple tweaks during the regular season, then towards the end of the season just after coming back from an injury, he tears something in his knee. DOES ANYBODY NOT CONSIDER THIS WHEN LOOKING AT HIS OVERALL VALUE!?
    I realize that all players are eventually going to get hurt at some point, and it's generally beyond their control. But I just wanted to point this out, and also make mention of the fact Brooks, to my knowledge was never out due to injury. Lowry was for a while and that hurt us, but Brooks was a tough little dude out there. You know he'd get banged up too when slashing into the lane and getting hacked, but he's strong for his size. I just don't like people underestimating Brooks. He's strong, and he's steadily improving. CP3 might be in his prime, but he's also injury prone now - and disgruntled. I don't like that at all. His stock has dropped in my book.
    Besides, as mentioned above in Paul's own words, there's strong enough indication that CP3 and Carmello will find a home in NY with Amare Stoudemire. They aren't going to mess around. There are other guys who believe they can form their own big 3, and they are going to team up with dudes they already know that are proven deep into the season. Houston simply doesn't fall into that mix, and Rockets fans shouldn't be the least bit concerned about this at the moment because I can assure you that CP3 and all these other colluding superstars aren't even thinking about the Rockets.
  • Mannan
    Dear Rahat,
    it would be interesting to get chris paul and to just put in to go back to the trade you can add a third team like indiana who is looking for a good point guard. And also we have lost out on bosh but does it interest you in geting david west who plays well with pual, i was trying a trade in the espn trade machine and you need to check this out. You'll have to trade pick but i cant do that in this.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2afc9ke

    It would be perfect and we could trade Johnson's and Harris's contract that we were going to cut.also we can sign ishmael smith for summer league incase.

    PG-Paul - Lowry - Smith
    SG-Kevin-Taylor
    SF-Granger-Bud or maybe Pat
    PF-West-Scola-Pat
    C-Yao-Miller-Hayes

    This is a dream but a more realistic drean could be a 4 way trade withORL, IND, NO.
    Check this trade out

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25hv5k2

    The Team would be very good and its very reasonable. Then the team would be:

    PG-Brook-Lowry-Smith
    SG-Kevin-Bud
    SF-Granger-Shane
    PF-West-Scola-Pat
    C-Yao-Miller-Hayes

  • davesmall
    Top five talent? Maybe, maybe not. I believe Deron Williams and Steve Nash both put up better numbers than Chris. He's a great young player but I don't see him as the second coming of Jerry West.

    Personally I'd be against tearing up the Rocket's roster to bring in a player who is showing himself to be very self centered and 'me first' without any regard for present team mates or the contract extension he recently signed.

    Doesn't Aaron Brooks deserve some loyalty from us? He was the NBA's most improved player this past season. He's a hard working young guy with amazing talents and a great attitude. Sure he could use more assists, a bit more defense, and maybe a little better percentages. But that can come now that his passes will be going to scorers like Yao and Martin.
  • Zenmonkeys
    I don't like the trend that this would be encouraging. It sets a bad precedent to let players demand the terms of their own trades. When you sign a contract, you give up the freedom that comes with being a free agent in exchange for job security in the event that your market value decreases. Now players want the best of both, the ability to move at will and guaranteed money.
  • Easy
    If I were a superstar and looked to go to a contending team, I'd do research to see which GMs were best at building good supporting casts. But then, not too many superstars are that smart. ;)
  • rahat_huq
    Yeah, that's the thing - most athletes aren't that smart. Educated fans and journalists all respect our management but I doubt you'll find any athletes who know who Daryl Morey is - he's not a household name like Jerry West or Pat Riley. Along with Yao's broken body, the Rockets really have nothing going for them on that front. They're just going to have to build their way up like the rest of the underprivileged - through shrewd trades and draftings. No shame in that.
  • Jordan
    Oh and welcome back Rahat! I don't know if you have to do "repairs" again but if you do, please make it faster!

    I think Chris Paul would grow to love Houston. I grew up in LA and moved to Houston when I was ten. When people ask me where I am from, I say Houston Baby!
  • rahat_huq
    Don't worry. I have some more changes in the works but won't be needing maintenance mode anytime soon. Sorry again. =)
  • Stephen
    BTW,
    Bosh had a 'list".
    Paul's "list" is the 3 teams that were very public in trying to trade for him over the past month or so-and NY,where he's supposed to have said he'd join up w/Amare and Carmelo.

    And as long as Rashard Lewis is under contract,Okafor is nowhere close to the most "fragrant" contract ;)
  • rahat_huq
    the best part of rashard's deal is that they were actually bidding against themselves!
  • Jordan
    Who has higher trade value right now? Jordan Hill or Patrick Paterson? I feel like it is PP. He is "Smoother" than Hill. I do not really know how to explain it, but it almost looks like Jordan Hill was a clumsy kid growing up, or that he has 2 left feet or something. Maybe I am crazy but to me basketball requires good footwork.
  • ohdubbz
    i think paul makes perfect sense, what with 2 years remaining on his contract. How many years do we think Yao can really give us? I see 2, 3 tops, where his presence can still help define the team's identity as far contention is concerned. If he walks after two years, I mean we would've had him in the team's prime. The only thing is, we wouldn't really be rebuilding since we have so many young pieces already now, we'd just be looking for a new centerpiece.
  • ohdubbz
    also, there's just so much of this team's success predicated on Yao being healthy and able to reach some measure of his old form. That uncertainty is a huge detractor to any big piece wanting to come here.
  • Stephen
    Anyone notice Feigen's claim that "For more than a year, the Hornets smacked back every trade call — including many from the Rockets..." ?
    There's been continued interest in Rubio.
    Both PGs. Just sayin'...

    The Rockets can offer the best trade package because of the draft picks.
    Plus including Battier gives NO a valued mid-season trade chip for a contender who might give up another draft pick,or young talent.
    If they don't like Brooks,instead preferring to rebuild around Collison,they could flip Aaron. Him and Posey to Portland for Andre Miller and Rudy Fernandez.(Or a straight Brooks for Rudy and SnT Patty Mills.)

    Wonder if NY would like their draft picks back? Heh.
    Portland would have to gut their roster and it still wouldn't come close to Paul/Okafor. Could do Paul/Posey.

    Have to think NO talks Paul into waiting til Trade Deadline to see if new GM can improve roster.
  • red nation
    I dont think the Rockets should offer anything for paul just yet. In fact I would rather see them trade for Carmelo later this season. However, I think this is a great opportunity to get a star player. I think they should only really pursue Paul if the Hornets get some offers they consider from other teams, then the Rockets should throw their name in the hat. Carmelo would be a much better addition to the Rockets. True Paul is better than Brooks and Lowery but the improvement Carmelo gives us beats the improvement Paul gives us. So unless Carmelo signs an extension, or the Hornets get some real good offers the Rockets should just stand pat.
  • bob schmidt
    Contrary to opinions that it is difficult to "sell" Paul on coming to Houston, does everyone think that he isn't more interested in his future than we are? He is probably the ultimate "trade scenario junkie" regarding his future in the world.

    As long as Houston makes its intentions well-known, we will be on CP3's radar. Who is to say that he might privately communicate interest in coming to Houston to NO ownership. Morey should take his shot, and we'll live with the results. Isn't Houston an upgrade from New Orleans? I would sure like to think so.....
  • Roxfan
    could it be possible that Paul sabotaged his own trade value by his "wanting out"? here are some of the superstar trades in the past that might be helpful in gauging what is realistic value in a scenario like Paul's.

    Shaq to Heat: Lakers recieved Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant

    KG to the Celtics: Minnesota recieved Sebastian Telfair, Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, 2 1st round picks

    Pau Gasol to the Lakers: Memphis recieved Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, Aaron Mckie, draft rights to Marc Gasol, 2 1st round picks.

    Vince Carter to New Jersey: Raptors recieved Eric Williams, Alonzo Mourning, Aaron Williams, 2 1st round picks.

    I think that our main priority is to convince Paul that Houston is a place that he wants to be at because as ty185/unbeatable mentioned, we can make the Hornet's rebuilding process very short and painless.
  • ty185
    hey Rahat, I won't be joining the CP3 speculation since I've expressed my desire for him many many times before. I would like to bring up a potential "hammer package" designed by "unbeatable" in the Hoopchina bbs though. -- The reason I feel it is worthwhile to mention it, is not only he presented a somewhat realistic scenario which gives the rox the elite talent while helps Hornets to rebuild, but also he managed to make the salary match down to the nearest ten thousand dollars. -- that in itself is props worthy:


    1. CP3 $14940153 + Okafor $11495000 + Posey $6478600 = $32913753
    2. Battier $7354500 + Jeffries $6883800 + Hill $2669520 + Andersen $2500000 + Hayes $2334125 + Brooks $2016692 + Taylor $780871 + Harris* $854389 + Johnson $885120 = $26279017
    3. $32913753 / 125% - $100000 = $26231002.4 < $26279017
    Since none of the above players are BYC, this trade should be technically valid

    The final offer:

    Battier + Jeffires + Hill + Andersen + Hayes + Brooks + Talor + 2 minimun salary + 2 NY first round + 2 future second round + $9M (by making the trade into 3 separate ones with the future second round draft trades)
    for
    Paul + Okafor + Posey

    4. TE + 3M cash for Julian Wright

    5. With this deal, the Hornets will need to cut three players: Harris and Johnson would likely be cut. All the cash they received should be able to help them cut either Battier or Jeffries (or whoever they want to cut). If either Battier or Jeffries is waived, Rox could potentially use LLE to sign them back.

    with this deal, the rox have

    Yao/Scola/Ariza/Martin/Paul, with a bench of
    Miller/Okafor/Budinger/Lowry/Patterson/Posey/Wright/Hayes, with possibly
    Battier if waived and signed back

    Hornets got rid of ALL their long term contracts and can immediately start rebuilding with the draft picks and rookies.
  • Roxfan
    What would the salary and luxury tax ramifications look like for our team if this goes through?
  • ty185
    we gets back about $6M annual salary more than we send out, not to mention they are all long term contracts. So in terms of tax raminifications, that means we are going to have close to $90M payroll for the foreseeable future and (assume tax line doesn't change), need to pay $15M - $20M taxes every year at least for the next 3 years.

    if the tax line goes down as expected, then we'll probably need to pay somewhere between $20M-$25M in the next 3 years at least.

    -- huge huge burden, but as Rahat said, it's better to exceed the tax line by a lot, than to be just barely over. -- assuming Les is really willing to pay for it of course.
  • Gray_Jay
    Not that the ESPN trade machine is infallible, but it rejects your proposed trade, stating that the salaries don't work by 417K. Throwing Buddinger in does make the trade work. Agree with Thomas and Icesavage below that there's no way New Orleans does this right now and takes the season ticket holder hit, unless they are immediately moving the team somewhere else. Typically, what's the deadline for season ticket holders to purchase their tickets?

    Further, since the object of your trade seems to be to get rid of every multi-year deal, they still have David West's multi-year deal to contend with. I obviously don't think his deal is bad though, considering his production. Also, if I'm New Orleans and I absolutely have to have this particular deal, don't I wait until the middle of August and demand Patterson too?

    I like the deal though I'm curious about Okafor coming back to Houston and playing hard. Do you think it more likely he'll get into trouble here, since he's friends/family in Houston or do you think they'll actually help him? Further, is Okafor a pure 5, or can he also play the 4 effectively? Just can't see tying up 17.5 + 5 + 11.5 in one position.
  • rockets
    i would love to have chris paul. He can play defense and he steals the ball alot. I wouldn't want to give up both battier and ariza. we wouldn't have a good wing play anymore. I know some of you are saying chase, but i think both battier and ariza are better overall players.

    One reason why i love paul is because i see steve nash in him. All nash had this year was amare and he wasnt even that good. he made a crappy team good and took them to the western conference finals. I think paul good have the same effect where he would make a good team great. One thing about paul that is better then nash is that he can play defense

    Getting okafor might not be a bad thing either because even if yao goes down we still have two big men(brad miller and okafor). Plus this can allow yao to get more rest and even sit out for the start of the season if he wants.

    Yao
    Scola
    Ariza or battier(dont know if we will have either of them but i hope we can keep one)
    Martin
    Paul

    i think we are definitely contenders if we can pull this off
  • Icesavage
    While I love speculation as much as the next guy, can I just state that I believe that the Hornets would majorly shot themselves in the foot if they traded CP3 before the trade deadline.

    Paul is the face of the franchise, and the Hornets still need him for any type of ticket boost run for next season. New ownership is coming in and I doubt they will be will suddenly have their season ticket sales drop by a significant margin because they just traded their best guy and got substandard return. By trading Paul, you basically say to your fan base: REBUILD TIME, and you have better sold a significant amount of ticket till then.

    Thus, even IF CP3 is trade, it isnt going to happen before February, because that way you already have the commitment of season ticket holders, and maybe even have a chance of patching things up with Paul, plus the trade situation changes then and the Hornets could get something better, then what they are offered now.


    Naturally, I think that if the Rockets got offered a deal like CP3 + Okafor for Battier, Jefferies, Brooks, plus the small fry and picks that I think Morey should go for it, but considering the Ownership changes coming to the Hornets, and the fact that the Morey would make out like a Bandit in such a deal should make the Hornets realize that they dont actually have to make the deal.
  • Rocket Fan in Santa Barbara
    I essentially agree with Rahat that the Rockets need to make a big pitch for Paul. I'm not sure how much leverage Paul has, though, in vetoing the trade. Everybody realizes that NO is not going to be a contender, so it is understandable that Paul wants out. It is a different situation, though, to not report to the Rockets, a team that would be a legitimate contender and a solid franchise. Paul's reputation would take a huge hit. My sense is that Paul, even if he is not thrilled with Houston, would come and play hard, if only to increase his value during free agency in two years. I understand that he is a good guy and very professional--far more mature than Bosh, for example. The Rockets would have two years to convince him stay--I think they could do it.
  • Michael
    There he is! Good to see the site back up, it's the place I visit at least twice a day (and usually more than that).

    To your comment (Rahat) about players not exactly queuing up to come to Houston, would you say that has more to do professionally than personally? I mean, I could see how maybe some don't see the superstar roster and pass over to move on to bigger markets (or teams with superstars, or both) but its missing the point in my opinion. In this case, the player that passes could very well be the difference, but by passing it just perpetuates the issue. That's all I can really think of, because those of us who know the team understand its quality and that while yes, its not a championship team its certainly a contender and a high-profile player away from being a championship team.

    All that being said, if Paul would be open to coming to Houston and Okafor is the poison pill we have to swallow, then we swallow it.
  • Kade
    HUG you said this "(with the larger contracts of any combination of Battier, Jeffries, and Ariza to make the numbers match.) "

    I believe ALL players have to be included + Brooks + Hill. I don't see a combination there if all have to be included.
  • Kade
    To add, unless someone can offer an up and coming stud, NO needs players with cheaper/quick expiring contracts and picks. Then again this is the NBA so they could trade Paul to a team and get a lot less in return.
  • Kade
    For CP3 and EO it looks like the Rockets could make this work by trading: Brooks/Jeffries/Ariza/Battier. All but Ariza(3 yrs) are in their last contract year. The key will most likely be the Knicks right to swap picks in 2011 and their protected 2012 pick and maybe even one of the Rockets 1st round pick as well. While other teams can offer players (Lakers could offer Walton/Vuj/Bynum) how many can offer multiple shots at the first round like the Rockets can?
  • Thomas
    Welcome back.

    Here's our problem with recruiting another top-flight player like Paul who's not a free agent -- we can't talk to him. That's incredibly important; we can only deal with New Orleans, because he's still a player under contract with them. And since Paul does not already view Houston as a desirable destination, it's an incredible uphill battle to make him *want* to come here more than, say, Orlando or New York, where he is reported to have expressed interest.

    We can tempt the New Orleans front office with as much as it takes, but because so much hinges on Paul's final say, it's going to be a long shot. McGrady listed Yao as someone he wanted to play with. Paul pretty much wants to play with Howard or Stoudemire.

    New Orleans has a tremendous incentive to hold on to Paul, partly because the team is shopping itself, and obviously would want to keep a talent like Paul to attract more quality offers, but also because it will be nearly impossible to get fair value back in a trade. Phoenix was able to get Stoudemire to get out and play to complete his contract even though they still broke off negotiations in bad blood this summer. Would Paul produce if forced to stay put?

    Okay, this is total hearsay, but I read something speculating that the "source" leaking Paul's dissatisfaction with the Hornets and desired trade destinations to the media is LRMR, James and co.'s marketing company where he recently signed on -- if true this is 0/2 for LRMR's PR track record.
  • rahat_huq
    but if you have a two year window to sell him on Houston, and are expecting favorable changes to the CBA, don't you take that risk?
  • Thomas
    Oh, I didn't mean it that way.

    Could we? Yes.
    Would we? I hope we do.
    Should we? Yes, yes, yes.

    But it's really hard. We can't talk directly to Paul or his agent. How do you sell him on Houston like that? Circumvent the rules? Use new social media? Whatever else? Probably. But it's not the same as being able to give a direct pitch via our front office.

    I certainly think we should *try* to trade for Paul, I just don't think it is very likely we are successful, or that our chances are very good.
  • Kevin
    This is the longest speculation post I've ever read from you. Good stuff though. Have you read any of the new Yao stuff? Yao is painfully pessimistic about his injury situation, and it sounds like he looks at next season as almost a throw-away year. I don't think he understands that if he doesn't perform well and/or gets injured again he's likely done in Houston. I wish we hadn't won that draft lottery. We'd be much better off today. Of this I am sure.
  • rahat_huq
    "This is the longest speculation post I've ever read from you."

    I felt kind of dirty after writing it and had to shower immediately.

    "I wish we hadn't won that draft lottery. We'd be much better off today. Of this I am sure."

    I wouldn't go that far, but we sure picked the wrong year to win it.
  • Stephen
    Les is supposed to be in pretty good w/Stern and a loyal ally.(Some resulting payback including an incredibly quick granting of injury exception for Yao.) I'd imagine the Rockets have a very good idea of what the League realistically expects to get in the new CBA.

    Assuming
    Jeffries,Andersen,cash for Okafor,
    Brooks,Hill,Battier and 2-3 Firsts for Paul.(2011,one of 2012's,2013)
    Rockets field
    Paul,Lowry
    Martin,Taylor
    Ariza,Budinger
    Scola,Okafor,Hayes,Patterson
    Yao,Miller.

    Over $5mil in extra salary,plus whoever is signed to fill out roster.(Perhaps Strawberry and Carney?)
  • Keith
    First, great to have you back Rahat. If we did this do you think Battier would do sort of what Big Z did for the Cavs last year?
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