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Charlotte Bobcats @ Houston Rockets on February 2, 2013.

The grueling January schedule is finally over, and the fact that Houston still remains a playoff team after that is something to celebrate.  However, the February schedule is not particularly easy either.  While Houston will only play 11 games in 28 days as opposed to the ludicrous 17 games in 31 days of January, only four of those games will be against teams currently not in the playoff race.

The first game will be among the easiest opponents of the month.  After a good 7-5 start, the Charlotte Bobcats have collapsed and are tied for the worst record in the league with the Wizards.  It is a team which possesses interesting potential, but only potential as they have won 2 of their last 12 games.

In many ways, this should be an easy, expected victory for the Rockets.  They will be at home, will be rested after their defeat against the Nuggets, and are against a massively inferior opponent.  However, not more than 2 weeks ago, Houston noticeably struggled against Charlotte on the road, trailing for most of that game before they pulled off a narrow 100-94 victory at the very end.  The Rockets have rebounded since then, but the defense of Bismack Biyombo and the surging Kemba Walker will likely make sure that this game doesn’t become too easy.

Matchups:

Jeremy Lin vs. Kemba Walker

In the last game, Walker relentlessly torched Lin for a career high 35 points and shot 6-7 from deep despite possessing only an average 3PFG% for the season.  Lin in turn was largely ineffective against Walker as he finished with only 5 points in 24 minutes.  Walker last year turned in a rookie season that almost but not quite reached Austin Rivers level in offensive incompetence, but has managed to turn it around nicely even if the Bobcats as a whole have not significantly improved.

I would like to take a quick moment to discuss one of the common complaints about McHale, namely the usage of Lin in the late 3rd or 4th quarter or whenever.  Much of the problem with Lin discussions from my perspective comes from the unfortunate idea that he is the “2nd option” behind Mr. Harden, when in reality Lin is just one of many good players behind Harden.  The 2nd option on any night can be Lin, but it may also be Parsons or even Delfino on one of his hot nights or sometimes another player.  If one looks at Lin from this perspective, then I think it’s no longer a crucial game-altering phenomenon when he does not play, as there have been moments when the other options behind Harden have not played either.

James Harden vs. Gerald Henderson

The Beard is the Beard.  Gerald Henderson may be putting up a decent season for a wingman as he averages 12 points a game, but he is no James Harden

Chandler Parsons vs. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

Kidd-Gilchrist was never highly touted for his offense coming out of the draft, but he has not scored double digits for the past 8 games and shot under 40% in January.  Parsons in the meantime has continued to impress throughout his sophomore campaign as he arguably was the best player on the team during the losing streak and shot nearly 50% for the month.  His name will almost inevitably be mentioned here and there during the weeks leading up to the trade deadline, but Morey does not make deals just to make deals.

Patrick Patterson vs. Jeff Adrien

The good news is that Patterson’s jumper has been falling again and he’s even banged in the post a few times during the last few games, something I really haven’t seen out of the power forward this season as he sat on the three point line.  Unfortunately, his rebounding remains as miserable as ever.  Patterson is better than Adrien, so it will be nice to possess the advantage at the starting 4 slot for once.

Omer Asik vs. Bismack Biyombo

Biyombo was a force in the last game against Houston as he had 7 blocks in the game, all of them against Lin and Harden.  However, Asik over the last 3 game has grabbed a ludicrous 53 rebounds as he continues to prevent the Rockets from falling completely apart defensively.

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  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago Without a doubt I remember RedStewie. That dude was a headache and I had just started moderating so it was a good crash course and I will leave it at that. I wouldn't insult anyone by comparing them to RedStewie though, and some of us may have very different opinions on the coaches, players and the front office but I believe we are for the most part Rockets fans first. Here on Red94 there is a level of respect and I believe some people come here with strong opinions but once they get a few good debates under their belt perhaps some opinions get tempered or maybe at least members learn to see that there is almost always more than one way to look at any scenario. Let's all keep those standards up.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    thejohnnygold, on 05 February 2013 - 16:03 PM said:


    ...and the broken record keeps on skipping.....

    Look, no one is saying Harden's defense isn't lacking. I am simply putting forth the idea that, given his physical attributes and the video evidence from the past, he can play defense and if it were solely a lack of effort McHale would let him know. Nobody gets a free pass. It seems to me to be by design--for better or worse. Not excusing him. Just my opinion.

    as for Parsons' numbers...I acknowledged that I wasn't able to confirm he was actually guarding those players all the time. Yet, Parsons' +/- numbers are legit regardless of who he guards. When he is on the court the Rockets excel and opponents drop off. I'll take 5 guys like that, please. Oh, and nba.com has some pretty good stats and splits to look at. That's where my numbers came from.

    And Rockets Best Fan, totally agree about Lin's bad habit of "Leaping before you look". Remember, the Rockets, as a team, average 1.7 years of experience (take Delfino out and it is 1.35). They will get better at a lot of these amateur/rookie mistakes. It's difficult to break bad habits that used to work when you were playing inferior talent. They will learn.
    totally agree this record is broken. reminds me of Redstewie...........feelingsupersonic remember him? dicussing topics with him was like beating a dead horse :lol: once he gets locked into a line of thought it was impossible to get him to budge facts or no facts. we got into it a few times if I recall correctly :lol: at least now we can have dicussions without the name calling :rolleyes: I like this forum because there seems to be a level of respect even if we differ on opinions. I read chron.com sometimes and the below level trash talking is pitiful. on here their appears to be a good core group of people who love the rockets, are knowledgable, and back their statements up with facts. everything a forum should be :rolleyes:
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago

    timetodienow1234567, on 05 February 2013 - 14:16 PM said:


    Harden has all of the physical attributes except size and it grates on me the lack of effort he gives on that end. But if I mention it, people on this board seem to get onto me saying it's because he's saving it for offense. Will a team of a defense only Asik and an offense only Harden win a championship?


    This team is not built to win a championship as currently constructed. It will not be a championship team next year either if the roster remains relatively unchanged. This is a team that is in the midst of finding the core and establishing a winning team culture. I am pretty sure a few years from now Harden will play some serious defense in deep playoff runs, probably against his former teammates among others.

    Can we ease up on the criticism of Harden's defense because it's a broken record that won't stop and there definitely are more interesting things to discuss with regards to the Rockets in my opinion, I dunno call me crazy.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago There are different defensive ideologies and schemes. If you look at the teams with guards at the top of the steals list they all have one thing in common: dominant defensive bigs behind them that allow for more gambling around the perimter. Here are the top 8:

    Chris Paul
    Mike Conley
    Jeremy Lin
    Russell Westbrook
    Kemba Walker
    Monta Ellis
    Rajon Rondo
    James Harden

    I do not think it is a coincidence that both Lin and Harden are top 8. I think it is in Houston's philosophy to forgo traditional man-up defense and try for steals while relying on Asik's dominance to supplement the often bad perimeter D. More than one way to skin a cat....especially if we have guards that, for one, is limited in lateral movement and susceptible to fakes and crossovers, and for the other, is our star scorer and leader that we need to keep active and on the court for offense.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago TTDN, I wouldn't take it so literally. If this were true, it would probably be more like, "don't pick up cheap fouls. Take the weakest player on the opposing team, lag off him and let him launch threes if he likes (odds are he is a low % shooter), funnel any drives to Asik, and go for steals.
  • sircharles says 1 YEAR ago defense makes you tired, we need harden's energy on offense.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago I just don't think a coach would tell his player, don't play defense. Maybe it's true, but this is the same guy that had KG in Minnesota. It seems crazy to me.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago ...and the broken record keeps on skipping.....

    Look, no one is saying Harden's defense isn't lacking. I am simply putting forth the idea that, given his physical attributes and the video evidence from the past, he can play defense and if it were solely a lack of effort McHale would let him know. Nobody gets a free pass. It seems to me to be by design--for better or worse. Not excusing him. Just my opinion.

    as for Parsons' numbers...I acknowledged that I wasn't able to confirm he was actually guarding those players all the time. Yet, Parsons' +/- numbers are legit regardless of who he guards. When he is on the court the Rockets excel and opponents drop off. I'll take 5 guys like that, please. Oh, and nba.com has some pretty good stats and splits to look at. That's where my numbers came from.

    And Rockets Best Fan, totally agree about Lin's bad habit of "Leaping before you look". Remember, the Rockets, as a team, average 1.7 years of experience (take Delfino out and it is 1.35). They will get better at a lot of these amateur/rookie mistakes. It's difficult to break bad habits that used to work when you were playing inferior talent. They will learn.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago Douglas is a decent 3rd string PG. I don't think he's a quality backup PG, but that's just my opinion. Lin is a decent starter, not an all-star, but he's light-years better than Toney Douglas. Beverley just looks lost out there sometimes. I like Lin and want him to succeed, but not over the rest of the Rockets. However, the two aren't mutually exclusive. When Lin is in the game and being aggressive, everybody gets better looks. Parsons/Delfino/Harden get less contested shots(some wide open), Asik/Patterson get some easy buckets as well(Asik's are all dunks since he can't shoot yet). So I guess I don't understand that when watching the game others don't see the same thing as I see. While Lin is not the 1v1 defender Douglas is, he is just as good on team defense, most of the time. He funnels his guy into Asik rather than letting him go by on the other side for a free lay-in. I think this team could take the next step if Harden learned to play some defense. It's hard to win if you have more than one defensive liability. A la Nash/Nowitzki, Nash/STAT. Lin will get even better at reading guys for tells and compensating for lack of quickness, but you can't teach speed. Harden has all of the physical attributes except size and it grates on me the lack of effort he gives on that end. But if I mention it, people on this board seem to get onto me saying it's because he's saving it for offense. Will a team of a defense only Asik and an offense only Harden win a championship? I don't think so. We all acknowledge Asik's faults, but it seems some are blind as to Harden's. We're all happy with Harden, but that doesn't mean there's not a LOT of room to grow.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago datruth, I am pretty sure no one here has been beating the drum for Toney Douglas and in fact at the beginning of the season this forum was generally very critical of his play. You would not know that since you have been on the Red94 for about 2 weeks so before you make judgements and generalizations about forum members here I suggest you spend a little more time as a forum member. Also if you think someone's facts are "way off" as you write then write why, otherwise your dismissal of johnnygold's post holds no weight and further weakens your position.
  • datruth says 1 YEAR ago in sports you suceed when you are in rhythm. Lin had it going in 1st quarter against the bobcats, but your coach mchale then benches him. Patterson should have played more minutes, but again that's Mchale. No need for the coach to bench lin while the team was in rhythm. Everyone wants douglass to play he averages 1 assist per game and plays pg and shoots less than 40 %. Your information about who is playing defense and whose not is way off, but who cares. In the new age of sports where everybody is trying to get theirs first. I'm impress with the kid, because everytime someone holds him down or knocks him down he gets back up. no other player on that team would have survived with what mchale has done to him this year. only 2 pg average more steals a game than lin and that's cp3 and conley, he is in the top 7 in blocks by pgs guards as well, but again who cares. i'm pretty sure if the kid does well in houston he will get benched and if he doesn't he will still get benched.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago if we didn't have asik in the paint opposing point guards would be on a layup drill with lin guarding them. even though lin's defense is bad I can live with that. my main problem with lin is to often I see him leave his feet with nowhere to go with the basketball. this is a major fault for a point guard (IMO). the point guard should never have to give up the dribble unless passing or shooting and should never ever jump into the air with no outlet. the fact mc hale has not called him out for it is distrubing to me. this is bad fundamentally. more often than not it leads to a turnover. am I the only one watching this? this is his #1 problem. like I said b4 the defense is bad, but this I can't live with
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    tigger, on 03 February 2013 - 23:47 PM said:


    Wow, in terms of defense, so much FAIL here.

    Lin is actually the second best defender after Asik, stats prove this and so does the eye test. Parsons D HAS FALLEN OFF THIS YEAR. Jason Friedman has even mentioned this. It's probably due to his increased role on offense. HOU fans overrate Parsons to death. He looks consistent because he plays near 40 minutes. When the coaching staff has complete trust in you and lets you play through your mistakes while giving you close to 40 min a game, OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK MORE CONSISTENT. What I find funny is that he travels at least once a game, tries and fails at taking the last shot (see Wed's game against the Nuggets) and turns the ball over quite a bit when he plays PG.

    So no, Parsons D has not been better than Lin's. But yeah, keep saying that bruh bruh.


    It is hard to quantify a player's defensive proficiency. Since I don't get to watch most games I can't use the eye test. So, to the numbers!

    Typically Parsons takes the opponents strongest wing player; although, as we know he does slide to the 4 at times. Usually it is a 2 or a 3 though.

    Here are some head to head stats showing a players' FG% when Parsons is guarding them and their usual average in parenthesis. I will also include the +/- even though I don't care much for that stat.

    Kevin Durant: 43% (52%), -9.6 w/ parsons, +21.8 w/o parsons
    Kobe Bryant: 39% (43%), -7.7 w/ parsons, -2.8 w/o parsons
    Lebron James: 50% (53%), +7.6 w/ parsons, +60 w/o parsons
    Melo Anthony: 58% (45%), -12 w/ parsons, -18 w/o parsons (this anomaly appears to be due to Melo making 60% of his 3's against Parsons)
    Luol Deng: 38% (44%), -16.1 w/ parsons, -7.7 w/o parsons
    Paul Pierce: 41% (42%), -14.2 w/ parsons, +54 w/o parsons
    Paul George: 53% (43%), -1 w/ parsons, +77.1 w/o parsons
    Rudy Gay: 48% (41%), -10 w/ parsons, -19.6 w/o parsons
    Joe Johnson: 33% (43%), -25.1 w/ parsons, +64.8 w/o parsons
    Evan Turner: 43% (44%), -18 w/ parsons, +14.4 w/o parsons
    Josh Smith: 47% (45%), +5.3 w/ parsons, -25.5 w/o parsons
    AND FOR PROOF THAT +/- STATS ARE BIZARRE AND SOMEWHAT USELESS...
    Caron Butler 0% (42%), +46.8 w/ parsons, 0 w/o parsons (this one is just crazy)

    I don't have actual data proving that Parsons guarded these players during these times...just presuming. All in all it's pretty solid. Apparently Melo, Rudy Gay, and Josh Smith gave him some trouble. The +/- was interesting. The consistency of that stat says something to me despite my dislike of it. Basically, when Parsons is on the floor guarding these guys the rockets do better as a whole. When he is not, often the change is drastically huge.

    Again, it's hard to quantify.

    Here is a link to a comparison generator. You can see the splits of any team's performance with parsons on/off the court.

    From what I can see, opposing teams decrease in offensive performance and defensive performance while Parsons is on the court pretty consistently. To me, that says everything I need to hear.

    As for Lin, I think most of us agree he can improve in certain areas, but he gives effort and it's not like anyone else is stopping the guys he has to guard.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago Alituro, I agree with most everything you have written but as a moderator I have a responsibility to all constructive and respectful forum members whether I agree with them or not. I have been a Rockets fan since the mid 80's and I will be a Rockets fan long after Lin moves to another team. I know Lin isn't a great NBA player but I do want him to succeed because he is a Rocket. I have to say, looking at the big picture, I am really excited about this Rockets team and we all should be I believe.
  • Alituro says 1 YEAR ago Yeah, there are waaaay too many posters here hanging on Lin's jock. Look, the rest of us get it, you've got some "connection" to the guy and above all else (even over Rockets winning) want to see him succeed. But, give us a break. Lin is good but by no means great. I want him to succeed too because it is good for my team, and for no other reason. Get over yourselves. Lin better have better defense than Harden because he needs his game to be at least decent all-around to stay on the floor. Many of us have been on this board from day 1, others (and you know who you are) have never even seen this board until we drafted Lin. It is not Lin Haters and lovers, this board has become Rockets Lovers and Lin Lovers and apparently they are not one in the same.

    Parsons has earned a reputation as one of the best wing defenders in the league in only his second year (ask Kobe). He CONSTANTLY holds his defensive assignments to below their scoring average. To say Lin is better at D than Parsons is freaking laughable. I could make a 15 minute montage only displaying the number of times Lin gets beat off screens and gambles for the steals only to get burned. On offense he's single handedly about to rename the mid-air-kickout-pass to the Lin Pass.

    I want Lin to be a great PG as much as the Lin lovers here because I am a Rockets fan, but please stop pretending he's something he's not (great). Maybe some people need to find a board that is all about Lin-love, but this ain't the one for you. If this post offends you, then good at least you know who you are. You are way too kind @feelingsupersonic.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago I am certain there aren't many if any anti Lin forum members but there definitely has been an influx of Lin fans in recent weeks and months and that was to be expected since the whole Linsanity thing earned Lin legions of fans. Here at Red94 I would hope that we are all Rockets fans first but each unto their own.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago Lin > Harden at defense but Parsons and Asik are better than him. All I know is that Harden's defense is worse than Nash's. Why we are comparing two guys on the same team who play different positions, I don't know. It seems like this board is predominantly Lin lovers and Lin haters with few guys in the middle.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago I agree with rockets best fan. I was also finished with this thread till the post about Lin being the second best defender on this team came up. That cannot be a serious statement, it's laughable. I do not even know where to begin that debate.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago Found an updated list of average team age:

    Houston, New Orleans, Cleveland, Denver, OKC, Portland, washington, etc

    Houston's avg. age is 23.7. What's more interesting is avg. experience is 1.7 years....easily the lowest in the league.

    apparently Houston's roster also has the highest average weight per player....would not have guessed that.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    tigger, on 03 February 2013 - 23:47 PM said:


    Wow, in terms of defense, so much FAIL here.

    Lin is actually the second best defender after Asik, stats prove this and so does the eye test. Parsons D HAS FALLEN OFF THIS YEAR. Jason Friedman has even mentioned this. It's probably due to his increased role on offense. HOU fans overrate Parsons to death. He looks consistent because he plays near 40 minutes. When the coaching staff has complete trust in you and lets you play through your mistakes while giving you close to 40 min a game, OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK MORE CONSISTENT. What I find funny is that he travels at least once a game, tries and fails at taking the last shot (see Wed's game against the Nuggets) and turns the ball over quite a bit when he plays PG.

    So no, Parsons D has not been better than Lin's. But yeah, keep saying that bruh bruh.

    tigger, on 03 February 2013 - 23:47 PM said:


    Wow, in terms of defense, so much FAIL here.

    Lin is actually the second best defender after Asik, stats prove this and so does the eye test. Parsons D HAS FALLEN OFF THIS YEAR. Jason Friedman has even mentioned this. It's probably due to his increased role on offense. HOU fans overrate Parsons to death. He looks consistent because he plays near 40 minutes. When the coaching staff has complete trust in you and lets you play through your mistakes while giving you close to 40 min a game, OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK MORE CONSISTENT. What I find funny is that he travels at least once a game, tries and fails at taking the last shot (see Wed's game against the Nuggets) and turns the ball over quite a bit when he plays PG.

    So no, Parsons D has not been better than Lin's. But yeah, keep saying that bruh bruh.
    I was going to leave this thread alone until that comment. lin couldn't guard a fire hydrant. :lol: his defense is terrible. he can't stay in front of quick guards which the nba is full of. this is why he does not finish 4th quaters sometimes. that and the fact he can't buy a 12 foot jumper on most nights. lin is average on his good days and stinks on his bad days. right now he's about 60/40 on good days and bad days. lin did a interview recently and admitted himself he wasn't playing star caliber basketball. as for any eye test...if you can't see the player I just mentioned then you are bias in favoring lin. I want lin to susceed, but he has not shown up to this point what he did in NY. I say the jury is still out. I am going to give him till years end, but he better get busy.
  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago @tigger

    Hm, I dont know. To say parsons d has dropped this yr sounds believable, but I dont know if lin has better d., maybe lin has to guard more fast pgs while outside of a handful of sfs, they aren't as amazing (relative to the pg crop) but for me, lin doesn't beat the eye test. /shrugs

    I like parsons a lot tho. Go look at his numbers, and yes guys increased minutes. I am very impressed by what he brings, esp. How he moves without the ball. For 900k? A steal. So hard to upgrade the sf spot because of that.
  • tigger says 1 YEAR ago Wow, in terms of defense, so much FAIL here.

    Lin is actually the second best defender after Asik, stats prove this and so does the eye test. Parsons D HAS FALLEN OFF THIS YEAR. Jason Friedman has even mentioned this. It's probably due to his increased role on offense. HOU fans overrate Parsons to death. He looks consistent because he plays near 40 minutes. When the coaching staff has complete trust in you and lets you play through your mistakes while giving you close to 40 min a game, OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK MORE CONSISTENT. What I find funny is that he travels at least once a game, tries and fails at taking the last shot (see Wed's game against the Nuggets) and turns the ball over quite a bit when he plays PG.

    So no, Parsons D has not been better than Lin's. But yeah, keep saying that bruh bruh.
  • thenit says 1 YEAR ago #Johnlai

    I only saw the 1st quarter had something else going on. Lin had a great 1st Quarter 2-2 4 points, 2 reb, 6 assist, but based on the box score and reading the recap, It seems that he cooled down. Parsons was also lighting it up and cooled down. Trading Lin is not an option unless we trade him for another star pg, which will never happen in the nba.

    It was a neccessary win and I am happy Harden got his triple-double. I have been one of the harsh critics of him, but this kind of proves me somewhat right with that if he wants to rebound he can. Like that he said that he tried to impact the game outside his scoring tonight, love to see more of that.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    myjohnlai, on 03 February 2013 - 01:12 AM said:


    It is so obvious that Houston does not deserve to have Lin. Trade him to the Lakers and have him come back and kick your butt.

    myjohnlai, on 03 February 2013 - 01:21 AM said:


    First 4 minutes of the game: 3 assists 1 rebound 2 points a couple of steals.
    Lin is on fire.
    What do you have to say about this?

    myjohnlai, on 03 February 2013 - 01:26 AM said:


    Bench Asik and Lin. McFail!!!


    Dude you're right! Tell you what....I'll trade you Lin for Howard straight up--I mean it's fair--they're both stars. Then Lin can make us pay for benching him....
  • Red94 says 1 YEAR ago New post: Houston Rockets 109, Charlotte Bobcats 95 - Rockets made to work hard for their win
  • myjohnlai says 1 YEAR ago Bench Asik and Lin. McFail!!!
  • myjohnlai says 1 YEAR ago First 4 minutes of the game: 3 assists 1 rebound 2 points a couple of steals.
    Lin is on fire.
    What do you have to say about this?
  • myjohnlai says 1 YEAR ago It is so obvious that Houston does not deserve to have Lin. Trade him to the Lakers and have him come back and kick your butt.
  • amacbrooks12 says 1 YEAR ago I agree with everyone that Harden's defense is terrible, but I dont see why. He is very strong, quick, has good hands, and is quite the athlete. That means the only reason why he plays bad defense is because lack of effort. Harden can be a decent/good defender if he wanted to, but it seems that he wants to save all his energy for offense. However, I don't really think its a serious issue. As long as he keeps doing what he has been doing on the offensive end, I am happy :)
  • Jeby says 1 YEAR ago Agree with what vbg wrote below. I think there is a little bit of ambiguity about what a "second option" is. Lin is not the second best guy on the team at putting the ball in the hoop. That's Parsons. But he is clearly second best at initiating the offense, and continues to get better. Plays that used to end in jump-passes are beginning to evolve more toward Lin keeping his dribble alive, circling under the hoop, and kicking out.
    On defense, I don't think Lin's problems have anything to do with his atheticism. It has to do with strategy and technique. Strategy-wise he gambles on playing passing lanes and baiting his man into deep shots instead of trying to just keep his man in front of him (which is actually the right strategy on a guy like Walker, despite last game). In terms of technique, he consistently overplays whichever direction he thinks his man is going, and then gets burned by the crossover. I think his problem is overreaction rather than slow reaction.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago If I had to set tiers I would actually put Asik in tier by himself and so on:

    Best: Asik

    Very good: Patterson (team defense), Parsons (man defense)

    Under average to poor: Harden (could probably be better but his defense is secondary to his offense/still an early stage where he is developing his offense, some form of defense will come later so have patience, see Kobe, LeBron, Durant), Lin (unfortunately lacks physical attributes to keep up with many point guards as Sir Thursday noted and thus finds himself in many mismatches)
  • Sir Thursday says 1 YEAR ago Yeah, going to have to echo FS here. One of the reasons the Rockets staff like Patterson so much is because he is an exceptionally reliable team defender. The Rockets track successful rotations as one of their proprietary stats, and I'm sure I remember reading that Patterson came out top in that category by a fair margin. To be honest I'd probably put him above Parsons, who is a good one-on-one defender but has a tendency to gamble a bit too much and get caught out of position from time to time.

    Lin does have areas where he is decent defensively. I've been very impressed with his performance when the opposition have tried to post him up - even when a bigger guy gets switched out on him he is often able to hold his own. Also, both he and Parsons do a decent job of knowing when to slough of their man to give the double team. But he's still lacking in the lateral quickness necessary to stay in front of fast point guards, and there are an abundance of those in the NBA that he has to guard.

    So yeah, if I were ranking the team on defence, it would probably go something like:

    1) Asik
    2) Patterson
    3) Parsons
    4) Lin
    :
    :
    5) Harden

    ST
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago

    timetodienow1234567, on 02 February 2013 - 17:10 PM said:


    Starting 5 based on terms of Defense
    1) Asik
    2) Parsons
    3) Lin
    4) Patterson
    5) Harden

    Harden is our worst defender and without Asik we would be losing almost every game. Lin


    Not sure if that list is in some kind of order but I am pretty sure Patrick Patterson is generally accepted as a good defensive player. Lin and Harden are definitely the weak spots in the Rockets starting 5. I don't think anyone would even argue that Lin is an average defender.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago Ha, just posted something on this in a different thread...seems relevant here as well so, if ya'll don't mind the re-post, here is one opinion on Lin's minutes. It suggests his conditioning is the culprit...

    QUOTE:

    It's true, we are on the outside looking in and have no idea what the reasons are.....for all we know Lin's conditioning isn't good enough. Maybe McHale sits him so that he can go strong for the last 8-10 minutes. I know most teams rest the starters a the beginning of the fourth for this reason....Again, maybe Lin just needs more rest than most....I believe this is the first time he has played starter minutes for this duration.

    Once again, let's look at some numbers:

    EDIT: wow, those stats were formatted when I posted them, must have gotten jumbled ...I will try to fix.

    EDIT 2: sorry, couldn't fix...will post links. Focus on the splits between wins and losses and the splits for "days off"

    Jeremey Lin's Stats

    Toney Douglas' Stats

    Looking at # of days rest, Lin definitely shows signs of not having the proper conditioning. It is drastic, really. On the other hand, Douglas seems to do best when "in a rhythm" and playing games close together.

    For Lin, not much changes except for his fg% and one extra assist in wins vs. losses. I would venture a guess that he is more involved with "leading" the offense in the "wins" which increases his productivity and effectiveness. The minutes seem to be irrelevant--perhaps it is his role that is the difference maker....

    Douglas' numbers are similar to Lin's except that in the "wins" he shoots a little more and assists a little less.

    Presuming McHale knows this, I will try to watch and see if the substitution patterns reflect this knowledge in the future.

    END QUOTE
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago Lin is also not a great defender. If we do eventually go after a PF, we need one who plays solid defense so we can have 2 bigs that protect the rim.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago Starting 5 based on terms of Defense
    1) Asik
    2) Parsons
    3) Lin
    4) Patterson
    5) Harden

    Harden is our worst defender and without Asik we would be losing almost every game. Lin
  • vbg says 1 YEAR ago I completely agree that Lin is not the second best player on the team. But I really do think that Lin should be the second option to initiate the offense after Harden. Not Parsons or Delfino. Lin is much better at creating against a set defense than either Parsons or Delfino. Our SFs are very strong after the ball is kicked out to them or swung to them.
  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago Just to counter the Lin comment lol: while I agree that the coaching staff does not see Lin as the 2nd option behind Harden, many fans do, hence the frustration. Even if they agree that Lin is not the 2nd best player right now on the team, they'd like to fully see his potential. Heck, Parsons plays a Lot more minutes than Lin. I like Parsons, I want him to grow, but I can say the same of Lin. I don't care much for developing Douglas' game haha.

    Not saying I rage when Lin sits in the 4th, just playing a bit of devil's advocate lol.

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